The Manu Doesn't Believe in God Thread

[remingtonbo2001]

Didn't you say that you would vote for the presidential candidate who was most Christian? How come something as simple as rooting interest isn't held up to the same standard?

Would you say the opposite is true?

Would you ever tell whottt if you were to agree with him?

Are you going to have to come up with something else once Manu returns from injury?

Angel if you had to advise Manu and his two options were to be happy and atheist or slightly less happy and a devout Christian, which road would you tell him to take?

Thanks.

Can you smell what timvp's cooking?

[Shastafarian]

I am almost certain Edison wasn't atheist...I believe I've researched that before.

I guess your "research" wasn't too in depth. From a quick google search I found these helpful Edison quotes:

My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it. [Thomas Edison, Do We Live Again?]

All Bibles are man-made. [Thomas Edison]

So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk. [Thomas Edison]

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and , of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. [Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]

[whottt]

I'm not sure what point you're making.

It's in the true spirit of christianity to be secular.


And BTW, the foundation of our cons ution well Patrick Henry is the guy on that list that deserves the most credit, but not as much as Sam Adams does...


But the true credit for our con ution lies in the belief system of the Quakers...they also started the anti-slavery movement...in the 1600's.

White
Christians.

Incidentally, the first registered slave owner in the history of North America was an African American.

[PixelPusher]

And BTW, the foundation of our cons ution well Patrick Henry is the guy on that list that deserves the most credit, but not as much as Sam Adams does...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry
After the Revolution, Henry was an outspoken critic of the United States Cons ution and urged against its adoption, arguing it gave the federal government too much power.

[Shastafarian]

Shhhhh, you're refuting whottt's "research".

[tmtcsc]

For what its worth..look at my avatar and tell me God doesn't exist....just kidding.

I believe that God exists and I believe in the after-life. I also believe that everyone has a different path to God. That is the reason that we have so many different religions such as Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism, etc.

I believe that every soul on this planet is on a journey towards finding God. We do have a purpose and everyone is unique and special. I obviously don't have all the answers and most of my prayers include a request for faith but I sincerely believe that
there exists a God that cannot be quantified, dissected or formulated.

I believe the Bible is one of the most incredible collection of books ever compiled and that it was divinely inspired. I also don't believe that every word or story is to be taken literally. But hey, I could be wrong and hold open the possibility that it is literally correct.

To truely appreciate the fantastic stories in the Bible (those stories that lead some rational humans to believe that it is absurd and impossible) i.e. Genesis, one has to understand that these stories were written to appeal to all of mankind in the most simplest of terms. In other words, the point of Genesis was to explain that God created the Heavens, Earth and Man. The Bible says it took 7 days. Well, 7 days could represent x-million number of years. The point is, God did it. Why try to explain the minutia of evolution when you are trying to keep an audience's attention ?


Anyhoo.


Just out of curiosity, do some atheists believe in an after-life ? Without the existence of God ?

[whottt]

Pix:

As a leading Antifederalist, he was instrumental in forcing the adoption of the Bill of Rights to amend the new Cons ution.

Anything else?

[xtremesteven33]

For what its worth..look at my avatar and tell me God doesn't exist....just kidding.

I believe that God exists and I believe in the after-life. I also believe that everyone has a different path to God. That is the reason that we have so many different religions such as Islam, Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism, etc.

I believe that every soul on this planet is on a journey towards finding God. We do have a purpose and everyone is unique and special. I obviously don't have all the answers and most of my prayers include a request for faith but I sincerely believe that
there exists a God that cannot be quantified, dissected or formulated.

I believe the Bible is one of the most incredible collection of books ever compiled and that it was divinely inspired. I also don't believe that every word or story is to be taken literally. But hey, I could be wrong and hold open the possibility that it is literally correct.

To truely appreciate the fantastic stories in the Bible (those stories that lead some rational humans to believe that it is absurd and impossible) i.e. Genesis, one has to understand that these stories were written to appeal to all of mankind in the most simplest of terms. In other words, the point of Genesis was to explain that God created the Heavens, Earth and Man. The Bible says it took 7 days. Well, 7 days could represent x-million number of years. The point is, God did it. Why try to explain the minutia of evolution when you are trying to keep an audience's attention ?


Anyhoo.


Just out of curiosity, do some atheists believe in an after-life ? Without the existence of God ?

you my friend are what they call "open minded"

a very rare but good quality.....

[Xylus]

Just out of curiosity, do some atheists believe in an after-life ? Without the existence of God ?

I've never met an atheist who believed in an afterlife, but I don't see why it's not possible. You can conceivably believe that no god exists, but still believe that we're all granted a second life after we die in this one. Personally, I think you're simply dead after you die and that's that. As does every atheist I've come in contact with.

[PixelPusher]

Pix:




Anything else?

The Bill of Rights is not the "foundation of our cons ution", they're amendments.

[baseline bum]

Just out of curiosity, do some atheists believe in an after-life ? Without the existence of God ?

I believe the show's over once the physical processes that control our consciousness end at death, so no, I do not believe there is anything that comes after death.

[xtremesteven33]

I've never met an atheist who believed in an afterlife, but I don't see why it's not possible. You can conceivably believe that no god exists, but still believe that we're all granted a second life after we die in this one. Personally, I think you're simply dead after you die and that's that. As does every atheist I've come in contact with.

If there is an after life than that means life has purpose and meaning. If there is no afterlife that pretty much means we were all an accident and have no purpose or absolute truth in life.

[whottt]

The Bill of Rights is not the "foundation of our cons ution", they're amendments.

Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the Bill of Rights.

I don't know about you..but I consider:

1. Freedom of Speech
2. Freedom of the Press
3. Right to bear Arms
4. Prohibition of unreaonable seach and seizure
5. Trial by jury


Etc...to pretty much be "our" Cons ution.


Oh yeah.....it's also contains that whole Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State unimportant horse ...

[Shastafarian]

Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the Bill of Rights.

I don't know about you..but I consider:

1. Freedom of Speech
2. Freedom of the Press
3. Right to bear Arms
4. Prohibition of unreaonable seach and seizure
5. Trial by jury


Etc...to pretty much be "our" Cons ution.


Oh yeah.....it's also contains that whole Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State unimportant horse ...

hmmmm, since the Bill of Rights isn't part of the original do ent, it's kind of hard to say they're part of the foundation of it.

[whottt]

hmmmm, since the Bill of Rights isn't part of the original do ent, it's kind of hard to say they're part of the foundation of it.

I didn't say they're the foundation of "it" or "the"...now did I idiot?

I said "our"

as in

o
u
r

...and I said it for a reason. stick.

[tmtcsc]

I believe the show's over once the physical processes that control our consciousness end at death, so no, I do not believe there is anything that comes after death.

Thanks for your answer, but it brings up a whole new question.

Do you believe that people can die -- Loss of brain function and cardiopulmonary function and be brought back to life or do you think that science should add some time to its definition of death ? In other words, they weren't dead if they were able to be brought back to life ?

I read an interesting book en led "What Happens When We Die". It was a study done on people who have died by science or medicine's definition of death and have had Near Death Experiences.

In some instances, patients were clinically dead and had no brain functionality. Yet, they had out of body experiences and were capable of thought during this time. One of the patients who was brought back to life saw that his dentures had been removed during the emergency surgery and had been placed in a drawer in the room -- All while showing flat line brain waves..

He was able to remember the nurse that removed the dentures and what she looked like too. He had never been conscious when she was called in to assist with his emergency procedure.

Pretty interesting stuff. He doesn't really explain his own beliefs either and leaves religion out of it. He only reports on the after life experiences. Most people are greeted by family and or friends that have passed on. They also experience a great sense of peace.

It has a section devoted to children who have died and been brought back to life as well and had NDE's.

[MannyIsGod]

What point is Whottt trying to make at this point?

[Shastafarian]

I didn't say they're the foundation of "it" or "the"...now did I idiot?

I said "our"

as in

o
u
r

...and I said it for a reason. stick.

Perhaps you think giving it ownership changes the fact that those mean the same thing?

[Shastafarian]

What point is Whottt trying to make at this point?

Hard to say. I'm still reeling from his proclamation that he thought of Supermassive Black Holes 20 years ago.

[whottt]

What point is Whottt trying to make at this point?

Post 1:

It's in the true spirit of christianity to be secular.


And BTW, the foundation of our cons ution well Patrick Henry is the guy on that list that deserves the most credit, but not as much as Sam Adams does...


But the true credit for our con ution lies in the belief system of the Quakers...they also started the anti-slavery movement...in the 1600's.

.

Post #2:

Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the Bill of Rights.

I don't know about you..but I consider:

1. Freedom of Speech
2. Freedom of the Press
3. Right to bear Arms
4. Prohibition of unreaonable seach and seizure
5. Trial by jury


Etc...to pretty much be "our" Cons ution.


Oh yeah.....it's also contains that whole Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State unimportant horse ...

Exactly 3 mentions of the cons ution, each time qualified with the word "our". I went to a lot of trouble to include the word "our" each time...


Since my initial post was about secularism being in the true spirit of Christianity and the Quakers influence on the foundation of our Cons ution, in a thread about religion...and since as far as I know...the Quakers know exactly jack about bicameral legislature, houses of congress and different branches of government...


You tell me...what does the word "our" mean?

[Xylus]

If there is an after life than that means life has purpose and meaning.

That's a very biased assumption you're making there. Why would you automatically equate an afterlife with some overarching goal in this life?

[PixelPusher]

If you build an addition to a house someone else originally built, you are not instrumental in the "foundation" of that house, no matter how many times you stamp your feet and scream "OUR house!"

[MannyIsGod]

Post 1:



Post #2:





Exactly 3 mentions of the cons ution, each time qualified with the word "our". I went to a lot of trouble to include the word "our" each time...


Since my initial post was about secularism being in the true spirit of Christianity and the Quakers influence on the foundation of our Cons ution, in a thread about religion...and since as far as I know...the Quakers know exactly jack about bicameral legislature, houses of congress and different branches of government...


You tell me...what does the word "our" mean?

I honestly still don't know what the point you're trying to make is. I don't know if my brain is just completely shut down at the moment or if you're just rambling or if its something else but I have no idea what you're talking about whottt.

[whottt]

If you build an addition to a house someone else originally built, you are not instrumental in the "foundation" of that house, no matter how many times you stamp your feet and scream "OUR house!"

If your forefathers built a somwewhat typical house 200 years ago and then 2 years after building it added a magnificent mansion, to the degree that it far outshines the original house, as the main addition that makes it unique and then they and your more immediate ancestors all the way up to your parents and grandparents added another 12 or so additions including several after your birth, and that first addition is the part your have always lived in and protects you the most, it most definitely qualifies as the foundation of your house under more definitions than not.

Edit: Especially in a thread about religion.

[PixelPusher]

If your forefathers built a somwewhat typical house 200 years ago and then 2 years after building it added a magnificent mansion, to the degree that it far outshines the original house, as the main addition that makes it unique and then they and your more immediate ancestors all the way up to your parents and grandparents added another 12 or so additions including several after your birth, and that first addition is the part your have always lived in and protects you the most, it most definitely qualifies as the foundation of your house under more definitions than not.

The Cons ution (a do ent which broadly lays out the form and function of government) can exist without a Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights (a series of amendments dealing specifically with individual liberties) can NOT exist without a Cons ution as it's FOUNDATION.