look what you started.....
Alright gentlemen, I'm finished with this thread for the time being.
It was an interesting discussion none the less.
To those who are non-believing, I truely do hope at some point God is able to speak to your heart and reveal the Truth to you.
To my fellow Christians, stay strong and God bless.
But, but...Natural Laws don't apply dammit!!!
My appologies.
Yeah, look what you started... Are you sure you want to lose you little parcel in Heaven? Because you're really borderline right now...
this thread is awesome.
My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ.Yeah, look what you started... Are you sure you want to lose you little parcel in Heaven? Because you're really borderline right now...
I've got some openings so don't count your blessings yet.My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ.
you better start praying that God's internet connection was down or you're in some deep remingtonMy place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ.
John 14My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ.
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me. There are many rooms in my Father's house. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you? And if I am going away to prepare a place for you, I will come back again and welcome you into my presence, so that you may be where I am. You know where I am going, and you know the way."
Thomas asked him, “Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him and have seen him.”
Mis pantelones es en feugo. Por l'amor de Dios, donde esta las agua?
uh, what?
I like and respect you here on the forum...
But that are some disturbing things you believe in... Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead.
overly religious people are a major reason im not very religious.
not to mention im not very good at being a big pussy.
I beleive in God and Jesus but I really don't beleive God punishes good people to eternal fire.
and it's crazy to beleive and follow the bible 100%
Ginobili would break Jesus' ankles so ing badly.
Dude can walk on water, but I doubt he can play D.
why do people think that fundamentalists are a bunch of crazy people?
Freud would then likely suggest that this particular fear already places you in that category....
And then he would proceed to ask about your parents...
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Lost in the discussion... RG I just wanted you to read it... to know that my claims had some validity.... you need not respond.
You can say whatever you wish... The use of that phrase however (regardless of the profanity) is a direct attack on my person. You basically implied that I was lying. If you disagreed with my statement, all you had to do was ask for examples that would support my claim."beligerence"?
What you did was call me out by saying, "Liar... proove it!"
There is a tactful difference between the two approaches. One elicits genuine discussion, the other an annoyed sigh.
Very well then....Nope. I try to evaluate each claim on its face.
I don't believe this statement applies.
First I should clarify that to me, persecution comes in all shapes, forms and colors... it can be subtle or overt. In the U.S. persecution of the church has progressed in a subtle manner...
Anyways, I stated my case (as I was finishing my lunch break no less). I brought up two examples of secularist movements in our society that are trying to marginalize believers through legal means... There is no 'victim' label attached... I simply highlighted that their motives were anti-religious.
Don't worry though, one day you and everyone in your camp will be happy when churches are pushed underground. When the mere mention of spirituality elicits ridicule and scorn... or further still, imprisonment. --- How's that for extreme assumptions... I guess we all can make them.
What's ironic is that athiest lobbyists are usually the first ones to complain when evangelicals lobby our government. They can't have it both ways. Personally I'm of the camp that believes Americans have the Cons utional right to shape the laws that govern the land... Democracy should win out. Wishing that this right be denied to another sector in society simply because they happen to disagree with you is a faschist concept.
More like, "You're not a Christian, as such you don't value the same ideals or understand the subtleties of their impact on our lives".
You may feel you've read just about everything there is to know about "Christians" and their belief system; but until you profess your faith in Christ, and are tranformed by His presence your perspective will forever remain limited/incomplete/skewed. The proverbial, "you're on the outside looking in" applies. And no...it's not elitist to suggest that... 'tis simply the nature of the concept.
You think California lawmakers/lobbyists weren't aware of this disproportionality?
The Hebrew/Jewish culture was built on homeschooling. Mothers were responsible for teaching their children the law and their heritage. Fathers then took their sons and taught them their trade. Besides, it's a rather anachronistic expectation to request that the word "homeschool" be found anywhere in Scripture.
Having said that, one of the fundamental parenting responsibilities found in GOD's Word is that parents instruct their children to have appropriate "fear of the LORD" - Bible-speak for "respect and reverence towards GOD". Homeschooling allows for that respect and that relationship to be instilled. But that's just it, this very dynamic is what so enrages secularists everywhere... particularly the atheistic brand. All of a sudden, they become concerned over the curricula of homeschooled children and imply that these children need to be removed from their 'oppressive', 'academically unsatisfactory' environments (they would like to equate the homeschooling process with 'brainwashing' tactics... and so create more bias against it).
While defficiencies exist for a minority of households, parents that homeschool are inherently, by definition, very interested in the development of their children. Oddly enough, the same homeschooling detractors who express "genuine" concern towards these children conveniently lose it when it involves the lives of the unborn in wombs across the world. Go figure...
Not to be lost in the discussion, homeschooled children eventually grow up into adulthood (like everyone else) and adopt whatever philosophy suits their fancy. That's right... ultimately their life choices are up to them. I guess the other camp would like to pretend that this eventuality fails to arrive for homeschoolers too... they merely take the lazy approach and arbitrarily label them brainwashed "sheeple".
Believe it or not, it is our Christian belief in free will, and the understanding of its cosmic implications that permits us to accept another's choices. We may disagree with what someone else chooses to do, but we inherently understand that the choice is theirs... as well as the consequences of their actions. Many Christian children end up learning life's difficult lessons through varying degrees of rebelion against the wishes of their parents. A loving parent, hence, will allow them to suffer through some of the consequences of their actions as part of the maturation process... though, I admit, this tactic is not exclusive to the Christian worldview.
Anyways, the agendas I mentioned earlier want to nip this bud at the stem - i.e. homeschooling - particularly because most homeschool households are Christian... Doing so, would hurt a significant back-bone of America's Christian sector. But then again, that's the point - their goal...
Is standardized education all that better?
The basic premise outlined by the concept of "Separation of Church and State" one which I happen to believe in, and a view I mentioned was endorsed by the Bible.
Standards and accountability are needed, yes... I agree. Let's not forget that homeschooled children still have to pass state exams, college entrance exams etc... Furthermore, homeschooled children fair as good as or better than their public school peers on academic tests (as far as I know, through personal experience, articles etc...). Court cases assessing this very dynamic are on record. It's in the state's interest to know and assess the academic development of every child, because it has a bearing on the future posterity and functioning of our society; our nation.
Forcing parents to obtain accredited teaching certificates however (at an expense of roughly $6,500 for 5 years in California - at least in the area where my sister lives) is economically harsh. Such a law is meant to dissuade people from considering homeschooling as a practical option... meant to tip the scales.
Depends on the motives for such laws.
Edit: Oh and none of this addresses the not-so-subtle, more overt movement that wishes to label certain biblical passages as "hate speech".
A third example I failed to mention earlier was Ohio's dismissal of a highly successful religious-based prison program that effectively reduced the state's recidivism rate. The grounds of its dismissal? It was a religious based program - not a secular one (the type that haven't effectively worked for over a century). Activist judges at work for everyone, YAY!!!
Last edited by Phenomanul; 10-15-2008 at 08:51 PM.
I apologize for my quick exit from and late return to this thread.
When I left this afternoon I had an appointment to go to and then church.
I said the bad news for atheists but did not share the Good News available to all and would be seriously remiss not to.
I want you all to know...
Jesus loves you.
2 Peter 3:9-The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Genesis 50:20-
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.
This is how to be saved:
us 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The choice is yours. Choose wisely.
Deuteronomy 30:19-
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.
Jesus can ball
even knocking the kid down going for the dunk
To be honest with you, as fantasy writing goes the bible is kinda boring. They should do a remake with like choppers, explosions and maybe a couple of car chases. Or maybe they can write a sequel... 'The New New testament'. I wonder who could be a good writer for that. I was going to propose Arthur C Clarke, but I think he died not that long ago. Suggestions?
Holy , this is thread is still alive?
To be fair... how can a religious person mock a non-beliver? Is like a trekie trying to mock a normal person... it's hillarous at best.
Of course, I'm not a beliver, and living in Argentina (huge Catholic population), and rased in a religious family, I know what it feals to be questioned on a regular basis because of my lack of faith... tho, every time I just smiled back, it feals like a puppy playing with your sock.
Regarding the topic, Manu responded perfectly, I would do the same no matter the circunstance. Simple question, simple answer.
I don't think what Manu said was bad at all. I think we should respect other people's beliefs.
I'm not religious anymore but I respect the religions and the people who believes in them. And I still believe in God.
I also hope this video doesn't insult anyone:
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