First off, props to Schieffer. Great job moderating. Much better than the first two debates. He didn't give the candidates free rein to ramble about whatever they wanted. He actually made each candidate venture outside of their talking points which is incredibility difficult when you are dealing with a career politician on one hand and a world class lawyer on the other hand.
I think Obama is going to come out ahead as the winner of the debate. Not because he won the war of words but because he came across as more presidential. He did a good job of keeping his cool and not doing anything too risky. He has a lead to play with and it's obvious when seeing his debate gameplan. He was playing defense against McCain and did a pretty good job of it but he wasn't quite as effective as he was in the second debate.
McCain did a really good job. He's not going to do much better than that. For a guy who is old, disfigured and really damn awkward, I think he drove in most of the points he needed to make. I doubt it's enough to climb the mountain but I don't think a McCain supporter could be disappointed by his performance. He stayed on the attack and got in some pretty good shots. He got heated at times and his body language wasn't good but that is just how McCain is. He's not going to change after 30 years in politics.
Personally, I lost some respect for Obama. I thought he was doing a fantastic job all throughout his campaign of staying above the fray. But in the debate instead of staying dignified and not getting dragged down into whining about he said, she said crap that insinuates racism and xenophobia, he let McCain lead him down into the gutter. For a segment of the debate, Obama played the woe-is-me card that totally goes against why I was comfortable voting for him.
I had been damn proud of Obama's dignity and his willingness to ignore the pettiness that those around him displayed but he didn't do that tonight. I'm a firm believer in thinking that all barriers in the United States can be overcome if you reach beyond. I thought Obama also held that belief and I hadn't seen anything to tell me otherwise. Until tonight
That said, playing the pity card won't hurt him -- it will in fact probably help him at the polls. But I can't say I'm not disappointed.
Kerry tried to stay above the fray too in 04 and we all see how well that worked out for him - I'm glad that Obama didn't take the GOP talking-points without fighting back, even if it was viewed by some as 'rolling in the gutter'....I want a President who's not fearful of facing his accessors and maybe even slinging a little mud himself...
I think cnn polls suck
they admit they polled more dem then republicans
but they do not repeat it
I think what might get obama in is his more money. he has 4-1 in adds.
thanks to foreignn money
when did he take on his dem leaders?
he has no ing guts
I think it's the issues....Obama has managed to use important issues like the war in Iraq and the economy against McCain....
Oh, progressives wanted Obama to be much more aggressive....but his strategy has worked out fairly well...
How was he playing the "woe-is-me" card? McCain started first by talking about how John Lewis had made a bunch of remarks that McCain feels are some of the "worst he's ever heard". At the same time, people at his own rallies are actually calling for the death of Obama. Obama simply responded to the comments that McCain directed at him.First off, props to Schieffer. Great job moderating. Much better than the first two debates. He didn't give the candidates free rein to ramble about whatever they wanted. He actually made each candidate venture outside of their talking points which is incredibility difficult when you are dealing with a career politician on one hand and a world class lawyer on the other hand.
I think Obama is going to come out ahead as the winner of the debate. Not because he won the war of words but because he came across as more presidential. He did a good job of keeping his cool and not doing anything too risky. He has a lead to play with and it's obvious when seeing his debate gameplan. He was playing defense against McCain and did a pretty good job of it but he wasn't quite as effective as he was in the second debate.
McCain did a really good job. He's not going to do much better than that. For a guy who is old, disfigured and really damn awkward, I think he drove in most of the points he needed to make. I doubt it's enough to climb the mountain but I don't think a McCain supporter could be disappointed by his performance. He stayed on the attack and got in some pretty good shots. He got heated at times and his body language wasn't good but that is just how McCain is. He's not going to change after 30 years in politics.
Personally, I lost some respect for Obama. I thought he was doing a fantastic job all throughout his campaign of staying above the fray. But in the debate instead of staying dignified and not getting dragged down into whining about he said, she said crap that insinuates racism and xenophobia, he let McCain lead him down into the gutter. For a segment of the debate, Obama played the woe-is-me card that totally goes against why I was comfortable voting for him.
I had been damn proud of Obama's dignity and his willingness to ignore the pettiness that those around him displayed but he didn't do that tonight. I'm a firm believer in thinking that all barriers in the United States can be overcome if you reach beyond. I thought Obama also held that belief and I hadn't seen anything to tell me otherwise. Until tonight
That said, playing the pity card won't hurt him -- it will in fact probably help him at the polls. But I can't say I'm not disappointed.
The very question the moderator asked the two candidates was right in line with this kind of response. You're going to blame either one of them for talking about the point that the question asked? Amazing. Usually you lay into them for wandering off-topic.
Like I said, I missed 2/3 of the debate, but at least for the question about the VP, I was actually surprised and pleased that Obama didn't take a hit on Palin. I thought McCain sounded like a grumpy old man when he was taking pot shots at Biden.
it would be intersting if both canditates had the same amount of money who would win
it was part of questions
biden was wrong on issues on irag
is it wrong to poitn that out
Money isn't a major factor, it's the issues....
Thanks for the standard partisan response. Very helpful.
I'll wait to get my hands on the transcript to point it out if you truly didn't hear it.
Anyone would be wrong in dealing with Irag.
It's a place that doesn't exist.
That is such an elitist statement.
Dude this was Obama's worst debate by far. I don't like the idea of supporting a guy that can't come up with a calm witty remark to silence an old guy who is spewing lies and accusations to his face.
Not wrong at all. I just thought that Obama did a good job of answering in a positive manner, and that made McCain response to stand out as negative.
Anyways, just something I perceived at the time.
Partisan? I didn't blame either of them. In fact, I defended McCain as well. They were asked a very pointed question about the nature of the attacks carried out by each party in the campaign. Would you have preferred they talk about the price of oil again as a response?
McCain did alright but too little too late.
He failed to mention how you can't cut taxes from people that don't pay taxes and how these tax cuts are really tax credits aka free checks to lazy ing people from Joe the Plumber's hard work.
Oh well.
I think Obama should have been quicker with his answers like the first 2 debates. He was clearly playing defense and he should have stuck to his guns.
Sometimes I wonder what debates you are watching. Obama playing the pity card? Give me a break. I should have known not to read your post after you made the asinine claim that George W. Bush made a better President than either Gore or Kerry would have. You are a ing moron.First off, props to Schieffer. Great job moderating. Much better than the first two debates. He didn't give the candidates free rein to ramble about whatever they wanted. He actually made each candidate venture outside of their talking points which is incredibility difficult when you are dealing with a career politician on one hand and a world class lawyer on the other hand.
I think Obama is going to come out ahead as the winner of the debate. Not because he won the war of words but because he came across as more presidential. He did a good job of keeping his cool and not doing anything too risky. He has a lead to play with and it's obvious when seeing his debate gameplan. He was playing defense against McCain and did a pretty good job of it but he wasn't quite as effective as he was in the second debate.
McCain did a really good job. He's not going to do much better than that. For a guy who is old, disfigured and really damn awkward, I think he drove in most of the points he needed to make. I doubt it's enough to climb the mountain but I don't think a McCain supporter could be disappointed by his performance. He stayed on the attack and got in some pretty good shots. He got heated at times and his body language wasn't good but that is just how McCain is. He's not going to change after 30 years in politics.
Personally, I lost some respect for Obama. I thought he was doing a fantastic job all throughout his campaign of staying above the fray. But in the debate instead of staying dignified and not getting dragged down into whining about he said, she said crap that insinuates racism and xenophobia, he let McCain lead him down into the gutter. For a segment of the debate, Obama played the woe-is-me card that totally goes against why I was comfortable voting for him.
I had been damn proud of Obama's dignity and his willingness to ignore the pettiness that those around him displayed but he didn't do that tonight. I'm a firm believer in thinking that all barriers in the United States can be overcome if you reach beyond. I thought Obama also held that belief and I hadn't seen anything to tell me otherwise. Until tonight
That said, playing the pity card won't hurt him -- it will in fact probably help him at the polls. But I can't say I'm not disappointed.
The only person playing the "woe is me card" is McCain. When he said the only reason he went negative was because Obama wouldn't do townhall debates I damn near fell apart in laughter. What a joke. Obama had to respond to the Ayers attacks, he had to. If you want to know why see John Kerry and the Swiftboat attacks last election. If you let your opponent characterize you to the American public you will lose.
And no, contrary to your other asinine belief, believing you can overcome obstacles is sometimes NOT enough to break through racial barriers and obstacles in this country. There is no reason a black man should have to work harder for the same position than a white man would, and vice versa. We still have lots of work to do in this country to break down racial barriers.
You are totally oblivious to what I'm referencing. Which is the most unsurprising event of the thread.
Mental midgets such as yourself make me wonder if I'm on the right side of the fence.
Says the 12-year-old white emo
Yeah it sucks now that the GOP isn't at the top of that pile, doesn't it? The tables have turned, suck on it.
Says the fat white conservative from Texas.You are totally oblivious to what I'm referencing. Which is the most unsurprising event of the thread.
Mental midgets such as yourself make me wonder if I'm on the right side of the fence.
Says the 12-year-old white emo
You want the corner back who will go for the pick instead of the tackle when his team is up by 6 with 2 seconds on the clock. Obama is going to play it safe as and thats the smart thing to do.
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