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    The same polls I claim are heavily weighted in favor of Obama.
    Even the ones that aren't weighted at all?

    No weights = slanted to Obama.

    Man, you're getting worse than the people who just parrot thats been debunked time and time again.

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    sons the polls don't mean ! anyone who follows them and thinks that they are a guaranteed outcome for Nov 4 is a damn fool! (see elections 2000 and 2004)
    You mean the elections in 2000 and 2004 where the polls both showed a Bush win? Yeah, those polls don't mean .

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    Obama supporters are wearing shirts that say Palin is a .
    I know a few of the ones you're talking about, as seen in a few pics, but in no means is calling someone a " " worse than shouting out things like "kill him!" in a rally.

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    Man, you're getting worse than the people who just parrot thats been debunked time and time again.

    We'll see on November 5th. I predict a landslide McCain win.


    No qualifiers...


    I haven't all of a sudden lost touch with the voting trends of Americans after being pretty much dead on my entire life. And I've never followed polls much before prior to 2004.

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    You mean the elections in 2000 and 2004 where the polls both showed a Bush win? Yeah, those polls don't mean .
    false son ... both of them showed Bush losing.

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    I know a few of the ones you're talking about, as seen in a few pics, but in no means is calling someone a " " worse than shouting out things like "kill him!" in a rally.

    Uh yeah it is...because that could have easily been an Obama supporter that said that. It's not hard to do...


    Whereas wearing those shirts is the equivalent of wearing a shirt calling Obama a spear chucker or porch monkey.

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    I know a few of the ones you're talking about, as seen in a few pics, but in no means is calling someone a " " worse than shouting out things like "kill him!" in a rally.
    By the way...when you yell something like, "kill him" and you are referring to a Presidential Candidate and there just so happens to be 10-20 Secret Service Agents in the room when you yell it...

    Guess what happens?


    http://www.timesleader.com/news/brea...nfounded_.html

    October 15
    Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
    By Andrew M. Seder [email protected]
    Staff Writer


    SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.



    The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."

    News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.

    Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.

    “I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.

    He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.

    Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”

    “We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”

    Hackett said he did not hear the remark.

    Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.

    When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”

    Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.

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    Honestly...the only reason to vote for Obama is his race. There's nothing else of substance to him and everything he says is naive or clueless.
    HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT???

    YOU REALLY SEE MCCAIN 1000x BETTER THAN OBAMA???

    I am sorry Sir, but you are an IDIOT!



    They are both capable leaders and in the end they are not all that diferent. But to go and write something like that you have to be seriously ed.

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    Uh yeah it is...because that could have easily been an Obama supporter that said that. It's not hard to do...


    Whereas wearing those shirts is the equivalent of wearing a shirt calling Obama a spear chucker or porch monkey.
    I fail to see how calling someone a = using racial slurs

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    Uh yeah it is...because that could have easily been an Obama supporter that said that. It's not hard to do...


    Whereas wearing those shirts is the equivalent of wearing a shirt calling Obama a spear chucker or porch monkey.
    You might want to tell McCain that you hold the wold so low in order to make sure he never refers to Cindy by that word....




























































    Again.

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    I have no idea what people are smoking but McCain destroyed Obama in this debate....destroyed him. One of the most one sided debates I have ever seen.


    Libs are going to think Obama won...conservatives are pissed at some of McCain left leaning policies...as a moderate, he was pure gold tonight...every word.


    Obama did not say anything substantial...but then he never does and still gets propped unjustly for it.

    I predict this debate will show up in the polls.


    Honestly...the only reason to vote for Obama is his race. There's nothing else of substance to him and everything he says is naive or clueless.


    Obama was on his heels most of the night.

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    Obama was on his heels most of the night.
    The he was. McCain hung himself with his temper.

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    Don't know if it's been posted yet, but...


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    "Partial-birth Abortion" is not a medically recognized term. The correct term is Dilation and Extraction. What I find galling is that it's not as if some woman's water can break and she can throw up her hands and say "You know what, this, I ain't having the baby!"

    Do people realize the cir stances under which D&E is done? It's not because the mom doesn't want to raise her child.

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    The he was. McCain hung himself with his temper.


    It just thought that Obama was on the defensive alot last night. But I have interpreted wrong before.

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    It just thought that Obama was on the defensive alot last night. But I have interpreted wrong before.
    McCain was definitely aggressive, I'll give you that. And he scored some direct hits at times. But he lost this debate, and he lost it at a very specific moment. Do you know what that was?

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    I thought McCain was better last night than he had been.

    It's weird, how Obama says everything with such little substance to it, but because he's eloquent and has a good delivery, people just eat it up with a spoon.

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    McCain was definitely aggressive, I'll give you that. And he scored some direct hits at times. But he lost this debate, and he lost it at a very specific moment. Do you know what that was?


    When?

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    One of them happened just the other day, when a man I admire and respect -- I've written about him -- Congressman John Lewis, an American hero, made allegations that Sarah Palin and I were somehow associated with the worst chapter in American history, segregation, deaths of children in church bombings, George Wallace. That, to me, was so hurtful.

    And, Senator Obama, you didn't repudiate those remarks. Every time there's been an out-of-bounds remark made by a Republican, no matter where they are, I have repudiated them. I hope that Senator Obama will repudiate those remarks that were made by Congressman John Lewis, very unfair and totally inappropriate.

    So I want to tell you, we will run a truthful campaign. This is a tough campaign. And it's a matter of fact that Senator Obama has spent more money on negative ads than any political campaign in history. And I can prove it. And, Senator Obama, when he said -- and he signed a piece of paper that said he would take public financing for his campaign if I did -- that was back when he was a long-shot candidate -- you didn't keep your word.

    And when you looked into the camera in a debate with Senator Clinton and said, "I will sit down and negotiate with John McCain about public financing before I make a decision," you didn't tell the American people the truth because you didn't.

    And that's -- that's -- that's an unfortunate part. Now we have the highest spending by Senator Obama's campaign than any time since Watergate.
    Yes, real quick. Mr. Ayers, I don't care about an old washed-up terrorist. But as Senator Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.

    We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for "lighting and site selection." So all of these things need to be examined, of course.
    The whole exchange talking about Bill Ayers and the "negativity" of the two campaigns is where he lost it.

    Obama was playing to undecideds tonight, McCain was playing to his base. That's why Obama won, and why right-wingers like whottt think McCain won. Obama was talking to people that haven't made up their minds, McCain was talking to whottt.

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    Obama was playing to undecideds tonight, McCain was playing to his base. That's why Obama won, and why right-wingers like whottt think McCain won. Obama was talking to people that haven't made up their minds, McCain was talking to whottt.
    As in the previous debates, Obama didn't say much of anything to anyone.

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4525289.shtml

    CBS poll gives the nod to Obama 53%-22%

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...oll/index.html

    CNN poll has similar numbers Obama 58%-31%

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    As in the previous debates, Obama didn't say much of anything to anyone.
    Either that or you weren't listening. He regurgitated talking points and lapsed into cliches and pla udes. His arguments are better than McCain's.

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    Either that or you weren't listening. He regurgitated talking points and lapsed into cliches and pla udes. His arguments are better than McCain's.
    His arguments SOUND better than McCain's, because he's more vibrant, more eloguent, and just flat out speaks better.

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    His arguments SOUND better than McCain's, because he's more vibrant, more eloguent, and just flat out speaks better.
    That and the fact that as much as McCain can try, he is not enough of a "Maverick" to completely escape Bush.

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    The whole exchange talking about Bill Ayers and the "negativity" of the two campaigns is where he lost it.

    Obama was playing to undecideds tonight, McCain was playing to his base. That's why Obama won, and why right-wingers like whottt think McCain won. Obama was talking to people that haven't made up their minds, McCain was talking to whottt.
    I disagree.

    Last night, CBS had a varied panel of voters on. I didn't watch CBS last time, but apparently, this was the same group from before - all undecided voters.
    After this debate, they were asked if their questions were cleared up and whether they were leaning one way or the other...most said they were now leaning heavily toward McCain.

    I have a feeling a lot of undecideds felt that way after last night's debate.

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