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Marcus Camby, Defensive Player of the Year.
He'll always be behind Garnett because the ing media won't get off KG's . Duncan is abetter defender than Garnett either way but don't expect the media to recognize that. I guess Duncan should start screaming and pumping his chest more. Maybe that will make him better defensively
Marcus Camby, Defensive Player of the Year.
I agree and it's completely irrational to not have Duncan in the mix or winning it at least once, but we aren't dealing with rational sports media voting here. The media votes based on perception and personal agendas, and there just isn't anything rational in their thinking. The same reason why the choking ass Cowboys had 13 pro bowlers last season and why Marcus Camby ever touched a DPOY award.
FTFYMarcus Camby, Defensive Player of the Year.
Homer statement of the year.....Especially with the "maybe" Russell and Olajuwon (won't speak on Russell, because I didn't see him play first hand, but Olajuwon was without a doubt > than Tim Duncan defensively......and very easily I might add)
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 10-17-2008 at 01:20 PM.
explain.Homer statement of the decade.....
There's no explanation needed and I'm not even going to waste my time doing it.......it's simply fact.
Hakeem is arguably the greatest defensive big man that ever played. He was a human eraser and dominated the paint defensively like no other...he even had the agility and athleticism to defend the perimeter players, and had remarkable longevity (was able to play prime defense very late into his career.)
Saying that he "may" just be as good as Duncan is homerism at it's best.
shyt and I said I wasn't going to waste my time.......oh well.
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 10-17-2008 at 01:34 PM.
if its a fact then back it up. now, i do agree that hakeem was a better defender tim is. but he is not that far off. and you just can't come into a bar and blurt something out. its obnoxious.
Look, whether Tim was better than Hakeem or not isn't really the point of this thread. If that's what you want to argue about, I'd respectfully ask you to start a different thread for that purpose.
The point here is that Tim Duncan is among the elite defensive players in the game at the moment; given that status, which strikes me as being something that cannot be questioned, it's beyond absurd for a writer making pre-season predictions to exclude Duncan from his list of likely DPOY candidates. And its unconscionable that Duncan has never won that award.
I do wonder if beating this drum to those who lead the charge of media hype might make some difference. Obviously, Tim's stellar play and exceptional numbers haven't done it; and obviously, the media's fascination with numbers alone doesn't define who should win the award (Garnett). Maybe it's time for us to have Tim's back and talk him up by pressuring the media jackasses who are readily available -- Stein, Bucher, Hollinger, Dupree, Abbott, Simmons -- to constantly deal with questions about why Duncan has never won the award.
another one? pass.
maybe we can ask tim to pump his chest and give the death stare to anyone whose shot he blocked? a little more expletives thrown now and again, maybe? or during interviews after winning games he'd could say something along the lines of "I'M THE GREATEST ER HERE! AND YOU SNIVELING S WOULD DIE WITHOUT ME! HAA HAHA!"?
Career Stats
Duncan
1992 blocks, 2221 fouls
Playoffs
415 blocks, 467 fouls
Hakeem
3830 blocks, 4383 fouls
Playoffs
472 blocks, 562 fouls
Blocks per foul
Duncan .90
Hakeem .87
Playoffs
Duncan .89
Hakeem .84
Let's not go there again.
This is one of many, but at 38 pages it pretty much covered every angle.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76149
Let me know when to start.Maybe it's time for us to have Tim's back and talk him up by pressuring the media jackasses who are readily available -- Stein, Bucher, Hollinger, Dupree, Abbott, Simmons -- to constantly deal with questions about why Duncan has never won the award.
You know your orders, soldier. Get to it!
Duncan's too boring to get DPOY.
if a new team was created and you can have any player you want in the NBA to anchor your defense, who would you choose? duncan is not only the best low post defender in the NBA, but he leads by example. his presence has transformed the spurs into one of the top three defensive teams in the past decade. most superstars don't bother on the defensive end to save energy for offense. but they expect their teammates to play defense. duncan doesn't do that, he sets an example for the rest of the team.
Duncan never goes for ball fakes. The only other player that could do that was Bill Russell. but Russell was not as tall as Duncan.
Duncan rarely has to sit down during a game because of foul trouble. That's a very important part of being a great defender. You can't defend anyone on the bench, all you can do is wave a towel.
He should have won it by now, but Bowen even more so. San Antonio should have had back to back if not threes in DPOY with the two.
duncan will always be top 3 in DPOY votings, that should change this year. although im hoping he actually gets it this time!
It's interesting to me to look at what Boston did last year and compare that to what the Spurs have done throughout the Duncan era.
Just taking a few simple numbers:
Boston allowed 90.3 ppg, .419 FG%, and 98.9 pts per 100 possessions.
These numbers led pundits to conclude that Boston's defense was dominant (it was) and that Garnett was the biggest reason for that (he probably was) and that Garnett deserved DPOY for that reason; it certainly wasn't his raw numbers that got him that award.
What's galling about that, though, from a pimping Duncan perspective, is that those numbers are basically the annual figures that Duncan's Spurs have put up during his career (bold numbers are better than the 07-08 BOS numbers):
97-98: 88.5 ppg, .411 FG%, 99.4 DR (points per 100 possessions)
98-99: 84.7 ppg, .402 FG%, 95.0 DR
99-00: 90.2 ppg, .425 FG%, 98.6 DR
00-01: 88.4 ppg, .419 FG%, 98.0 DR
01-02: 90.5 ppg, .426 FG%, 99.7 DR
02-03: 90.4 ppg, .427 FG%, 99.7 DR
03-04: 84.3 ppg, .409 FG%, 94.1 DR
04-05: 88.4 ppg, .426 FG%, 98.8 DR
05-06: 88.8 ppg, .433 FG%, 99.6 DR
06-07: 90.1 ppg, .443 FG%, 99.9 DR
07-08: 90.6 ppg, .444 FG%, 101.8 DR
I think the reasons Duncan has been ignored have been fleshed out pretty well here, but I felt my analysis wasn't complete without at least some degree of comparative context. What's interesting to me is that the dominance of those numbers is the same before David Robinson retired and after; it's the same before Bruce Bowen arrived and after. Tim's got teammates who play great defense, but I think the numbers strongly suggest the significance of Tim's defensive impact, no matter how ignored that might be at awards time.
You'd think, but Duncan has been in the top 3 for DPOY only twice in his career:
97-98: 5th
98-99: 5th
99-00: no votes
00-01: 3rd
01-02: no votes
02-03: 4th
03-04: 7th
04-05: 4th
05-06: 6th
06-07: 3rd
07-08: 9th
What a crappy stat
Not only was Hakeem easily the better defender, He played against BETTER COMPE ION.
wow that is a huge wake up call... maybe i was thinking about first team D... that really is unacceptable.
Okay, you topped me.Marcus Camby, Defensive Player of the Year.
I already did, read above.........just about anybody that is unbiased and actually saw both players play in their prime would say Hakeem was the better defender. If yo don't believe me, I can easily start a thread on a unbiased board and we can see how the results would turn out. Only "Spurs homers" would think Duncan was a better defensive player.
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