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After Hussein is elected, there will be prayer in schools. Muslim prayer.
I'm still waiting for prayer in public school like reagan promised in 1979, and a cons utional ban on gay marriage. was I lied to???
After Hussein is elected, there will be prayer in schools. Muslim prayer.
Peabody is bring teh LOLZ today.
Well there just went any chance of constructive discussion with you. I don't care about this country at all, I just want "my side" to win. Thanks, bag.
Yeah, the overwhelming majority of the country is brainwashed into thinking Bush was a horrible President and McCain would continue the majority of his economic policies. We're all just sheeple. Thanks, bag.so you agree 100% with every single liberal talking point and you claim to be a free thinker. you just proved you're a team member.
You're pretty dumb. I mean, low-information, lowest common denominator dumb. It would be like me posting something from counterpunch.org or dailykos to make my contention that Bush and McCain suck. Thanks, bag.better than the you're a liar, Jill whats-her-face support domestic abuse, michael j fox is a cannibal responses I'm getting from you. Then you have the nerve to talk about lowest common denominator.
IIRC Republicans had control of the Senate but not the House, I don't believe one party has ever had full control of Capitol Hill.
Besides, I happen to agree with Oh Gee!!'s comment/observation. I just wanted to make sure that people here realized that the infrastructure of our government properly limits the power/influence that emanates from the presidential seat. The president's views are not as dominant as people would like to suggest... Even as 'Commander' of the armed forces the president's role is constrained (as it should be).
Last edited by Phenomanul; 10-18-2008 at 12:14 PM.
at any Republican who thinks John McCain gives two s about abortion, or that he would nominate a pro-life Judge to the SCOTUS when the Dems will have the majority in the Senate. And we're the sheeple.
So.... you think you know John McCain, and what he will or won't do?
At this point I don't think anybody does... Having said that, his voting record on the issue speaks for itself (as does Obama's). That is after all, public record. No opinions, simply yays or nays.
Neither party has any interest in upsetting the status quo on abortion. Republicans keep the Christ s in line by promising to overturn R v. W, even though they know the power of the pro-life movement is NOTHING compared to the social forces that would be unleashed if it were overturned. A lot of these Christ s are only politically involved on this one issue, and the GOP loses a key cons uency without the abortion issue. The Dems, on the other hand, use fear-mongering that R v. W will be overturned to keep a vise-grip on female voters, a slight majority of which generally favor their party.So.... you think you know John McCain, and what he will or won't do?
At this point I don't think anybody does... Having said that, his voting record on the issue speaks for itself (as does Obama's). That is after all, public record. No opinions, simply yays or nays.
McCain cannot stand the evangelical base of his party and would not hesitate to cut deals and work with the Dems in Congress...he'd have no choice either, since they'll control both houses.
These comments do nothing to back up your claim that "McCain [doesn't] give two sh*#$ about abortion"... I agree that both candidates are pandering to their cons uencies (I've never said otherwise)... In fact they've been doing that forever on the abortion issue. But there is a fundamental difference between pointing out that dynamic and suggesting that McCain doesn't care about the heart of the issue at all.
BTW your characterization of evangelicals, while well within your GOD-given perogative, does little to bolster your arguments around here - much less the discussion at hand.
-Peace
Last edited by Phenomanul; 10-18-2008 at 12:37 PM.
I don't respect "Evangelicals," if by that you mean people that exclusively support the GOP and do so on the basis of abortion alone. There is more than one sin, and Jesus spent most of his time condemning the sin of hypocrisy above all others. They rail and rail and rail about sexuality (which is not a sin) and abortion, but they have nothing to say about bearing false witness and prosecuting dumb, unnecessary wars that were justified on the basis of lies to the public. So, to respond, I think "Christ " is an appropriate term. A real Christian would not blindly support one party or the other. God is not a Republican or a Democrat.
You won't go to heaven if you don't spell God in all capital letters.
Then why'd he personally ask "W" to run for president?
That's still a pretty broad stroke of the paintbrush.
True.
One can choose to doubt whether the WORD is true, but let's not kid ourselves about what the Bible says. To claim the Bible doesn't speak against sexuality (by suggesting that it is not a sin) is self-deception at best!
Now, I am not in any way saying sexuality is the only sin or greater than the other sins - pride, hypocrisy, selfishness, greed, theft, murder, etc! Nevertheless it is still a sin.
Leviticus 18:22
18 You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
[Compare with Lev 20:13]:
13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
That last passage was under the Hebrew law [acts of sexuality warranting the 'death sentence'] and we aren't bound to it, since Christ fulfilled the law. Nevertheless, the passage still considers sexuality as an abominable act (sin) before The LORD.
Romans 1:26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
1 Corinthians 5:9-11
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male pros utes nor practicing sexuals 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:8-11
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing sexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
Jude 1:3-7
3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that the Lord has once for all entrusted to us, his people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about [b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord [c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Christians don't claim perfection, or the ability to live a life without sin. They simply recognize that they need Christ. Detractors who use this reasoning as justification for their hatred towards Christians or their moral values, are only lying to themselves. Don't focus on men, because men will ultimately fail.
Place your sights on Christ, He will never be a hypocrite, or abandon us; Jesus never fails us.
For who? The voting 'sheeple' or Christians in general?
I agree.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 10-18-2008 at 02:08 PM.
So I'm married to someone who is part black, but I wouldn't want a black person as President? That's rich.
Oh, I see. You can use the black man to fulfill some mandingo-black buck fantasy, but he's not good enuff for the presidency. yes massa. White Devil.
I kid
"We"? There is more than one 12-year-old left wing nut job emo on the forum?
$500 if you find me denying I said that. You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
It doesn't for those that can tell the difference. I think we can all agree statements such as this ought to be idiotproof.
I guess my query was aimed more at defining what exactly you meant by him being "the most pro-abortion president in modern history". I'm not entirely aware of Obama's comments on the matter though, so I'll take your word for it. I was just curious.His voting record combined with his very own words before he starting his presidential campaign and began flip flopping a bit on the issue.
I don't really agree with you here, as I think leaving it for the states to decide leaves room for a lot of ambiguity on a matter that both sides normally agree to be about moral absolutes, the right to live of the fetus vs the right of the woman to choose over matters pertaining to her body. Having said that, I agree there are cir stances and cir stances. Which is what makes debating this issue all the more difficult and controvertial.I think it's an issue that should be handled at the state level, so it doesn't enter into my equation of who to vote for as president.
For the record, I don't fit in either camp. I'm pro-life in theory but it's such a situation by situation decision that most pro-lifers consider me pro-choice.
Findog, great points. Completely agree with you.
My issue with the pro-life movement and the hardcore Christian Right in general is the hypocrisy of its followers. They claim to be pro-life but many support the death penalty, either you think all life is sacred or you don't. There is no middle ground. They claim to be compassionate conservatives but support the worst kind of hate mongering towards Middle Easterners and actively supported an illegal and horribly prosecuted war that had nothing to do with our safety from terrorism or 9/11.
Jesus hung around with the bottom rung of society and preached tolerance and turning the other cheek yet all I see from this side is intolerance and hatred to those with differing views. Jesus would be ashamed of what has become of his teachings today and those who have exploited his message. It's the worst kind of bigotry IMHO.
Ah ha. We finally find the root of your emotional hate. You're a middle easterner and you think all Republicans hate you and your people. That explains why you are so emo in all your posts.
It all makes sense now.
I'm not offended in the least. In fact, you're a joke. Go DEMS GO!!!
Wrong on all counts. You should stick to basketball.
The joke is you falling for this smear garbage, and then turning around and describing yourself as a "free thinker."
Typical Christ .
There's a recorded speech by Obama on the Floor of the Illinois state Senate where he says clearly and plainly one of the main reasons for not supporting that bill is because it goes agaisnt the original wishes of the mother to have the child aborted.
His own words.
But don't let the facts get in the way.
You know I'm right. timvp can read emos and why they are emo.
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