Hey newbie, the top 50 list was a joke. About 15 guys have come along since the list was announced that easily knock off guys that were borderline to be on that damn thing to begin with. Pippen is questionable at best deserving to be there. Pippen was always going to be very good, all star level. But MJ made him way better. And even if he deserved it, his spot would have been taken by now, by a better all time player like Duncan.
Actually, Jordan didn't start winning championships until he was 29. In fact, Kobe's 2 rings ahead of Jordan at the same age.
The roster looks very promising and they're all pretty young. That's possible, I can only hope for more.id say kobe can definitely win 2 more les with his roster but 3 or more is reaching.
Pippen would still be in the Top50 list even today. I'm not sure anybody on the Lakers right now aside from Kobe will make Top50 in the future except, possibly, Bynum.
Kobe=Jordan
Kobe=Paul Pierce oh no wait
Pierce>Kobe
Kobe=Paul Pierce oh no wait
Pierce>Kobe
thus Pierce> Jordan?
if a=b and c>b, then c>a
Jordan averaged 36 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists during those three playoff runs. If that's "decimation", then there needs to be a new word for what's been happening to Kobe.
Against one of the best and most intimidating defensive teams of all time in an era of hard-nosed defense being allowed by the refs. They used to flagrant foul Jordan for kicks in those days and he still dominated. Kobe can't dominate the Celts in an era where if you breathe on a star player it is a foul.
Good point...unfortunately, the Celtics had 3 star players.
Fortunately the Spurs only had two then.
Two of those years, Jordan faced the Pistons after having gotten knocked on his ass by Barkley and Mahorn in the previous round. Kobe wouldn't have survived Philly.
I forgot...who on the sixers teams actually gaurded MJ and I don't believe Zones were in play.
All you jokers make me laugh, half of you probably haven't watched any of these games, let alone comment on them like they just happened. Watch some 80's games and you'll see the amazing athleticism and crazy defense where teams barely scored over 100....yeah.....ok.
KOBE=Jordan and let's not bring in team goals like championships, because from what I hear Jordan wins by himself and Kobe wins with a team. On pure talent and what the person has done on the court as a baller Kobe is equal. Bringing in different eras and players just muddles it. You my as well say Bill Russel is the best of all time.
She probably thinks whites should be banned from basketball, so I don't know why anyone would ever ask her for an opinion.
Lakers fans are the only fans worse than Spurs fans.
Jordan was selfish during that time and it caused his team to lose 3 years in a row. Those 36 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists got him 0 les in 3 years. He had not learned or trusted in anybody outside of MJ.
It's amazing that when Kobe scores alot of points and loses, he's called selfish but when Air Jordan does it, all is forgiven.
Last edited by Allanon; 10-20-2008 at 07:46 PM.
Jordan wouldn't have survived the Zone defense since he wasn't as good an outside shooter as Kobe.
There are NO excuses. Jordan faced Barkley, Kobe faced Duncan. Neither one won the le.
Why are you making excuses for Jordan's losses? Jordan himself wouldn't make excuses, and neither would Kobe.
Jordan lost those 3 years to the Pistons, last year Kobe lost to the Celtics. A loss is a loss.
Last edited by Allanon; 10-20-2008 at 07:50 PM.
Spur fans can't stand the possibility that Kobe may surpass Jordan and Duncan.
Speaking as a Duncan fan, I have no problem where Jordan is or where Kobe may end up. The game consists of great players that all bring something that make us watch. I loved watching Jordan, I love watching Kobe. How can any fan of the game not appreciate players of that caliber?
Duncan's resume will have him end up as one of the all-time greats. That's good enough for me, even if Jordan and Kobe are above him.
I think we all know you're a fair and un-biased fan. I like Jordan and Duncan too, Kobe just gets a bit too much bias against him by many other fans.
I've said it before, I never liked Kobe's at ude before last year but I've always appreciated his game. It seems like something just clicked on in Kobe and he's a likeable fellow now too and I think he'll go down as one of the game's all time greats. And honestly, he's still behind both Jordan and Duncan. These next 5 years will define his legacy.
You are so far off base it is not even funny. No Spurs fan gives a about Kobe or any other player "passing" Duncan. Only insecure Laker fans give a about that stuff. Spurs fans are used to their team not being appreciated. Duncan is used to not being appreciated. You do not see Spurs fans starting stupid ass threads every other day trying to make outrageous claims about their best player catching someone. We take Duncan for what he is, Tim Duncan. You keep hoping that Kobe does what he needs to do (which is nearly impossible) to "catch" Jordan, Spurs fans KNOW Tim has his place in history.
There will never be anyone better than Michael Jordan. Kobe only reminds us of MJ with the way he plays. As good as Kobe is he should never be compared to MJ. MJ is a once in a lifetime generation player that will never come again.
You can compare Kobe to MJ all you want but we all know MJ is in a class of his own.
This is a 3 page post so far, obviously there are plenty of Spur fans that "give a ", yourself included. Spur fans always take the bait when it's posted
And rightly so.Spurs fans are used to their team not being appreciated. Duncan is used to not being appreciated. You do not see Spurs fans starting stupid ass threads every other day trying to make outrageous claims about their best player catching someone. We take Duncan for what he is, Tim Duncan.
Nope, I'm just responding to threads posted by Spur fans saying he has no chance of catching up with Jordan. I don't think Kobe is far from catching Jordan in the ring count and I'll even add that this Laker team is more capable of a 3-peat than the Shaq/Kobe years.You keep hoping that Kobe does what he needs to do (which is nearly impossible) to "catch" Jordan, Spurs fans KNOW Tim has his place in history.
6 time finals MVP vs 0
Do you know what the elite teams in the 80's could do far better than most teams can do today?? 3 words, SHOOT THE BASKETBALL! The 15 foot mid-range jumper was not like trying to hit a 3 pter like today. It was something all the elite teams did with great efficiency. When a player like Tony Parker was having a layup drill to the basket, he'd likely find himself on his ass before long. An era before Sportscenter idiots like Stuart Scott yelled "BOOOO YAAAAAA" to a dunk, so every young kid coming into the league tries to stuff it, so they can hear him do it to their friggin highlight.
Spurs fans don't give a about comparing their players, which is what you eluded to by bringing up KG. Spurs fans are replying in this thread to shut dumb Laker "fans" up. Not to argue Tim's place in history.This is a 3 page post so far, obviously there are plenty of Spur fans that "give a ", yourself included. Spur fans always take the bait when it's posted
And rightly so.
Nope, I'm just responding to threads posted by Spur fans saying he has no chance of catching up with Jordan. I don't think Kobe is far from catching Jordan in the ring count and I'll even add that this Laker team is more capable of a 3-peat than the Shaq/Kobe years.
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