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Kobe COULD NEVER compare to Michael Jordan, NEVER!!
Jordan > Kobe
In Kobe's defense though Jordan played in a watered down expansion NBA where he was the only player in the League that got "the call".
Kobe COULD NEVER compare to Michael Jordan, NEVER!!
It was probably Hersey Hawkins, but the point is that Mahorn or Barkley were there to knock his ass to the ground once he got past him. Zones, lol.
I watched every single one of those games and Jordan and Pippen both got the beat out of them. Didn't stop them from going to the hole, and it didn't stop them from coming back and sweeping the Pistons after losing in seven games the previous year. Since all it takes for Kobe to stop shooting is the media reporting that his teammates don't like him, I'd say there's really just no basis for comparison.
Kobe's three les with Shaq are the only reason anyone even tries to make such a stupid case. On pure talent and what the person has done on the court Kobe can't carry MJ's jock. For all the talk about Kobe's great scoring, he's had one year in his entire career that can compare to most of the years of Jordan's. One guy averaged over 30 ppg for a season NINE times, and it wasn't Kobe, despite scoring a bazillion points against the weak sisters of the NBA when his jumper is on.
I'm unsure how 6 APG from a shooting guard is "selfish" but I'll go along with your premise for the moment.
Funny how six championships out of seven years can alter perspectives. When it comes to being selfish, Jordan changed his ways, and Kobe hasn't. One might suggest that Kobe's far too old not to have learned the lesson.
There aren't enough of these to award this post on all counts
Um, you should read the rule changes for hand checking. Since we're playing the woulda coulda shoulda game, Jordan would lead the league in free throw attempts today, and was still a better ball handler and could have scored. With today's rules, at worst he would have added the three to his game a few years earlier in his career, and would have been able to bloat his scoring numbers the way Kobe has.
Jordan beat Barkley every time he faced him. Once Jordan got over the hump he steamrolled the Pistons and everyone else that got in his way for the next 8 years, with the exception of one playoff series.
I didn't make any excuses for anything. Someone expanded on Jordan's stats to point out that he faced brutal defense from the Pistons, and I posted the little remembered fact that the Pistons were doing the same thing the Sixers had done to them the round before. Jordan lost one playoff series as a Bull after the last loss to the Pistons, and the excuse for that single playoff exit is better than any excuse Kobe's had for the numerous team failures he's experienced since Shaq was traded.
I'm simply making a really convincing case, basically from memory, how Kobe doesn't belong in the same discussion. Kobe's a better three point shooter, and he's possibly a more explosive leaper. That's about it.
Jordan won those les in the 90's when the League was massively watered down because of expansion. No way he would have done that in the 80's or even in this present decade.
Spoken like someone that never watched the man play. Kobe scored enough points in meaningless games against weak teams to keep his average artificially high so someone could point to his scoring average as a sign of his greatness.
Someone should tell Kobe that.
I really don't care about Kobe's high scoring games. Jordan is better than Kobe in most parts of basketball. I'm only commenting in that the huge stars of the 80's got old, the League expanded by 6 teams in a short period of time, and Jordan was the only one that got "the call" in the 90's. All things that you cannot dispute.
The Knicks and Pacers alone in the 90's were better than anyone that is in the East right now, what the are you talking about??
I would have to agree with that.
I said in the League. Almost all teams that made the WC playoffs last year were better than those two teams. Ewing was a choke artist and only Reggie Miller could stand up to Jordan on that Pacer team. I'd also say Boston and Detroit were better than both those teams.
Right. BFT.
I'm not sure why I'm telling you this, but there were only two good teams in the NBA for most of the 80s. I'm not sure how any of it is relevant. Jordan got one of the most famous non-calls, but calling him for a pushoff on what's really his final shot as a legend would have been weak. The only thing weaker would be other implying that Jordan got calls that other superstars didn't in a superstar driven league.
Kobe's an awesome player, but the desperation with which his fans try to prop up his greatness borders on that of Duncan fans.I would have to agree with that.
Actually there were more than two good teams in the 80's. Philly was damn good as well as Detroit.
And you must have missed the nineties if you think other superstars got the same calls as him. Only Reggie with his kick out is the only other player I can think of. Magic got the calls in the 80's but so did Bird, Isiah, Dominique, etc. so it balanced itself off much better.
And It was a pushoff it should have been called whether it was his last shot or not.
Most Laker fans acknowledge that Jordan as well as Magic were better players. There are Laker fans and there are Kobe fans. Just like there are spur fans and there are Duncan fans.
It doesn't mean that both of them are not All-Time Great players.
overated...shaq might have been Finals mvp, but 2 of the 3 championship years, Kobe was overall playoff MVP....and most people including haters would even agree with that.6 time finals MVP vs 0
Yeah and who gives a about the west when you don't get out of the east? The east was damn good in Jordan's run. You didn't watch those Knick teams play much. The Riley Knick teams with Ewing in his prime were deep, extremely physical and very tough. Ewing, Oakley, Mason, Starks, Derek Harper, Doc Rivers, Charles Smith, that team could play. They were a monster on defense and pushed the Bulls hard in several playoff series. They'd easily beat the Piston team that won a le in 2004, give the Celts all they could handle that just won the le, maybe even some of the Spurs le teams. And Ewing was not a choker, he just wasn't on the same level as Hakeem or Shaq, some would argue David although he never won anything until Timmy hit SA. Ewings playoff series against the Pacers in 94 was incredible and he dominated in game 7 to send the Knicks to the finals.
i loved that pacer team.
I think Duncan has propped his greatness up pretty well himself, he doesn't need his fans to do it, desperate or not.
I certainly sing his praises any chance I get, I think he's one of the greatest to ever play. But his resume, stats, and hardware speak for him better than I ever could.
I was basically talking about the state of the League. And no the East was weak and has been weak forever. I actually did watch those Knicks team a lot. They were good but not great. Ewing (although a choker), Oakley, and Mason were very good players (Oakley and Mason were especially tough). Starks is one of the most overrated players ever. Rivers was an old man by then, Harper was also old and only really had one good run in '94 (when Jordan was playing baseball), and Charles Smith was decent at best and even a bigger choker than Ewing (remember '93). No way they could have easily defeated the Pistons or gave the Celtics all they could handle. Pierce and Allen would have just murdered them. Billups would be able to do whatever he wanted against them. Although the Knicks frontcourt against the Pistons would be an interesting matchup.
And seriously Ewing was a choker you can even ask Knicks fans. (I'm sure Chris Childs will show up somewhere in this thread) He had that one really good run when Jordan was playing baseball. Doesn't mean he wasn't a damn good player, he just choked when the game and series was on the line (other than 94).
So did I, but other than Miller, Schrempf, and Smits they weren't really that talented. Then Marc Jackson (after Schrempf was traded) later on in the decade.
2000
Kobe 21.1 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 4.4 APG, 1.5 SPG on .442%
Shaq 30.7 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.1 APG, 2.5 BPG on .556%
2001
Kobe 29.4 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 6.1 APG, 1.5 SPG on .469%
Shaq 30.4 PPG, 15.4 RPG, 3.2 APG, 2.5 BPG on .555%
2002
Kobe 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.5 SPG on .434%
Shaq 28.5 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 2.8 APG, 2.5 BPG on .529%
The only playoff run he was close to Shaq was in 2001. Shaq was overall playoff MVP' in every championship, aswell as Finals MVP.
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