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well, he's been going to church and praying weekly for the last decade or so. he's been photographed, filmed in church. and even his prayers were published all over.
is that not proof enough?
Kid gloves??Are you joking? Who the uses kid gloves in here? I'm talking about well deserved mutual respect. Angel never (at least not that I have ever seen) disrespects anyone, so a little restraint when criticizing her, especially in this forum, says a lot about how people feel about politeness.
well, he's been going to church and praying weekly for the last decade or so. he's been photographed, filmed in church. and even his prayers were published all over.
is that not proof enough?
You can't respond. If the bible says 2+2 = 5 and you flat out prove it wrong and in fact 2+2 = 4 Angel Luv would still believe its 5 no matter what proof exists. This is how these people live with their shortcomings.
I don't have the dates when these comments were made, so you could be correct about it being recent only.
But...
Speaking to TIME about his experience in captivity as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, McCain said that prayer played an important role in sustaining him: "Those of us who gained our spiritual help and strength through God seemed to do better physically than those who basically gave up."
About his prayer life, McCain went on to say, "I pray regularly, and I don't have to be getting ready for bed, or be getting up in the morning. I seize opportunities throughout the day."
McCain also said his faith has helped him move past failure: "I haven't always succeeded; I've failed many times. But because the foundation of ... my belief is redemption, I've been able to receive additional comfort, strength and the desire to move forward again."
McCain told Beliefnet, "I've sort of evolved in my religious faith. And I think probably because of my failings and mistakes in life I'm a much bigger believer in redemption. I really believe that redemption is a very important part of our religion. I'm much more of a believer in a loving God, a personal God. I'm much less inclined in every way to believe in a vengeful God."
Defined indoctrination quite well.
He could be lying. In fact, how do we know he is really a Christian? Has McCain accepted the Lord Jesus as his savior?
I'm not pulling punches, I'm just stunned.
I wasn't really talking about this specific thread, just in general.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
I want to know from Senator Obama who he says Jesus Christ is.
I have in the past months written his campain and asked only to receive form letters back.
I doubt anyone actually had the time/ took the time to read my letter, so I am not implying my question is being ducked.
In a perfect world, I would have the opportunity to speak to both Senator Obama and McCain and ask them who they believe Jesus is and how that is going to affect the way they run this country.
Then I would be able to vote from absolute knowledge instead of with some speculation.
You really think there are kid gloves in the political forum?
Ask Wild Cobra, boutons, NBADan, whottt, clandestino, HookDem, Yonivore, Shasta, Findog, MadHatter, Viva, Chump, etc if they feel the same.
As you know, theyre all partisan, so they inevitably engage in the most bitter hatefests. The more moderate of the board generally get along with everyone, this much is true.
....great, now I de-railing ym own thread too...
I'd agree with the "I'm not sure what to say" side of this discussion. I've rarely read anything that struck me as so irrational as to leave me virtually speechless. I'm all for individuals believing as they wish and B2B is absolutely right that no amount of logical (or even factual) reasoning with Angel is going to change her mind. The process by which she reached the concerns stated in this thread is troubling to me -- particularly as a Christian -- but, again, it is her reasoning, no matter how poor it might seem to me.
The discussions in this forum aren't always rich in thought and frequently devolve into pettiness and name-calling. This thread would seem ripe to have started with the former and ended with the latter. But I think sometimes there can be something that is so stunningly bizarre that it almost bridges the partisan divide and quiets the usual rancor of this forum. This thread seems to be that.
I don't know, which is why I wish I had someone other than him or Senator Obama to vote for.
I believe if someone is a Christian, running for office or no, they should stand up and declare it in a way that there is no doubt.
Hey now. I'm a moderate. I just like stoking the fire
It seems you are giving McCain the benefit of the doubt, but not Obama.
Can I blame it on recycling?
Should any non-christian ever be president?
so in your opinion, Mcain could "possibly" be the antichrist too?
I started this thread so.......yeah, you too.
j/k
I don't see a quote about accepting Jesus.
Which is more appalling to you? Someone using religion to gain political capitol with a base or someone who is sincere in their beliefs but doesn't think they should be forced on the general population just because that is what they believe?
One thing I give Obama credit for is that he doesn't use his religious beliefs in his politics. Although he has stated on many occasions his beliefs, I've never heard him say he's consulted Jesus about a policy decision (cough, cough Bush). He understands that everyone doesn't believe the same. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people like this. McCain has never been a very outwardly religious person (I give him credit for trying to keep church and state separate) either but his campaign has used religion to divide people in this election and influence the blindly faithful.
You could blame it on anything you like, especially that one of us in this thread might just be the antiChrist.
What does Jesus have to do with balancing a check book and creating programs that improve our Country?
This country needs someone who can do a job not worship about it. God dammit don't you ing see that they're are more important things at hand than a god popularity contest.
Why do you people always feel that no good can be done by people who don't see things exactly the way you do.
Its ing sick. God dammit to you people are so ing stupid and ignorant.
Working on this
You know what really grinds my gear?
Yeah, I deserve that. I should have said "from the point it got hijacked . . . . "
So you just vote on religion alone?
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