KB24.com: Kobe vs Jordan

[Medvedenko]

MJ is lightyears better than Kobe on D, better driver to the hoop, better intangibles, better leader.

I guess Tex Winter, Phil Jackson and others who coached both would disagree with you...but hey you got your opinion and that's all that matters.

[ambchang]

We also learned in this thread that Ginobili's contribution to the 3 rings = Jordan's contributions to his rings. Ginobili has Duncan, Jordan had Pippen, and we know that without Duncan, Ginobili wouldn't have won the rings, and without Pippen, Jordan couldn't have won the rings.

In other words, Ginobili only needs 3 more ring to be as great as Jordan, and this means that he still COULD do it. Regular season and Finals MVPs be damned.

Besides, Ginobili was the real playoff MVPs in those playoff runs despite worse numbers than Duncan, and not being the offensive focus most of the time.

[dbreiden83080]

I guess Tex Winter, Phil Jackson and others who coached both would disagree with you...but hey you got your opinion and that's all that matters.

Read em and weap

Jackson is asked to confirm that he feels Kobe has better skills then spends most of the interview praising Jordan and saying what he does better than Kobe. And on defense it is no ing contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_WNTx3gG_s

[Medvedenko]

Read em and weap

Jackson is asked to confirm that he feels Kobe has better skills then spends most of the interview praising Jordan and saying what he does better than Kobe. And on defense it is no ing contest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_WNTx3gG_s

Thanks Jordan has big hands and better interior game. No mention on defense though where I believe MJ was given a pass.....Of course he's going to praise MJ, however skill wise, and range is where Kobe has him beat. I'm just saying. Oh and if you haven't noticed, I dislike Jordan and always have. Great player, no doubt.....

[dbreiden83080]

Thanks Jordan has big hands and better interior game. No mention on defense though where I believe MJ was given a pass.....Of course he's going to praise MJ, however skill wise, and range is where Kobe has him beat. I'm just saying. Oh and if you haven't noticed, I dislike Jordan and always have. Great player, no doubt.....

Does Kobe have better skills??

"He does well but MJ is stronger"

"MJ has a better interior game, the best of all time"

"MJ had a better FG%"

"MJ had better hands, the ball was magic in his hands"


"Perhaps Kobe is a better shooter"

He didn't even Kobe that clear edge, LOL

And stop talking about D. Only a blind man with a man crush on Kobe would claim he is a great defender on Jordan's level. MJ would shut the opposition down night after night. He and Pippen gave people nightmares on that end of the floor. I still can't believe the Laker fans are in here talking about MJ and Kobe after the ass kicking Paul friggin Piece just gave him.

Wake up folks!!!

[Allanon]

You seem to think if Kobe catches Jordan in Rings that will make most put him up there with Jordan or in the conversation, i can't see that happening.

Are you crazy? The talent level is about equal, the main difference between Jordan and Kobe is that Jordan won more. You really think if Kobe ends up with 6 rings he shouldn't be mentioned with Jordan? I can guarantee you that if Kobe gets 6 rings, he'll be mentioned with Jordan. If Kobe gets 7-8 rings, he will make a strong case for being better than Jordan.

Serious Kobe hate there.

I mean let me ask you being honest. In their 100% primes who was a better player? Jordan has Kobe beat in almost every category except Kobe is a little better jumpshooter, but Mike was no slouch in that area. Late in his career he drove less and was a turn-around jump shooting machine at times.

Kobe was a better 3 point shooter and just a little bit behind Jordan in every other category.

MJ is lightyears better than Kobe on D, better driver to the hoop, better intangibles, better leader.

Prove it or is this more of your speculation?

He was Maybe the most compe ive athlete and greatest will to win of anyone in any sport. Getting 6 rings and maybe 3 finals MVP is not putting him with Jordan. Anyone who knows anything about the game knows, Jordan was the better player. If a few morons in the media claim otherwise, they are simply wrong, pure and simple.

That's because only your opinion matters right?

[dbreiden83080]

Are you crazy? The talent level is about equal, the main difference between Jordan and Kobe is that Jordan won more. You really think if Kobe ends up with 6 rings he shouldn't be mentioned with Jordan? I can guarantee you that if Kobe gets 6 rings, he'll be mentioned with Jordan. If Kobe gets 7-8 rings, he will make a strong case for being better than Jordan.

No not even close as has been explained to you by several posters, the numbers bear out that Jordan was a better offensive player. HE scored more, at a better FG% in an era with harder defensive tactics, what more do you want exactly?? The man won 10 friggin scoring les, again you know this already, you just won't let it go.

"Serious Kobe hate there."

No an accurate assesment of what Kobe has done so far, to what MJ did his whole career. Kobe is not even close.



"Kobe was a better 3 point shooter and just a little bit behind Jordan in every other category."

Now you are almost agreeing with me


"Prove it or is this more of your speculation?"

Jordan was 9 times on first team all defense, Kobe has plenty of selections as well, now on this issue the media often s it up. Right now they seem to think KG is the best defender in the league and a few years ago they were under the delusion that Camby was defensive player of the year but having seen them both play, MJ in mind is far far better on that end of the floor. Is that just my opinion, yes it is but Kobe is not a lockdown defender every night like Mike was. He certainy didn't play much D in the finals.

[Allanon]

No not even close as has been explained to you by several posters, the numbers bear out that Jordan was a better offensive player. HE scored more, at a better FG% in an era with harder defensive tactics, what more do you want exactly?? The man won 10 friggin scoring les, again you know this already, you just won't let it go.

Kobe could have gotten alot more scoring les if he wanted to. I think Kobe is a better scorer overall than Jordan, but that is my opinion. But scoring les do not make you great and if it did, 81.

No an accurate assesment of what Kobe has done so far, to what MJ did his whole career. Kobe is not even close.

Kobe is not close, but he's not done. We're not talking about now, you're trying to be a prophet in saying Kobe "never" will catch Jordan. You're calling your future prediction on Kobe "an accurate assessment".

"Prove it or is this more of your speculation?"

Jordan was 9 times on first team all defense, Kobe has plenty of selections as well, now on this issue the media often s it up. Right now they seem to think KG is the best defender in the league and a few years ago they were under the delusion that Camby was defensive player of the year but having seen them both play, MJ in mind is far far better on that end of the floor. Is that just my opinion, yes it is but Kobe is not a lockdown defender every night like Mike was. He certainy didn't play much D in the finals.

When Jordan gets first team all defense the media is 100% right but when Kobe gets selections to the first team, "the media often s it up".

[dbreiden83080]

Scoring les do not make you great. 81.

No scoring les, 5 league mvp's, 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, legendary playoff performances and one insane clutch shot after another make you great.



"Kobe is not close, but he's not done. We're not talking about now, you're trying to be a prophet in saying Kobe "never" will catch Jordan. You're calling your future prediction on Kobe "an accurate assessment".

He is so faaaar behind in terms of accomplishments at age 30 it is crazy. He showed us nothing in the finals against the Celtics. Even less against the Pistons in 2004. This is your problem Kobe has gotten beat-down by teams Jordan would manhandle in the same position. MJ does not lose to the Pistons playing with Shaq my friend. MJ does not let Pierce eat his lunch in 6 games in the finals. You seem to think "Well if he gets 6 rings he is on Jordan's level", it's not that simple.



"When Jordan gets first team all defense the media is 100% right but when Kobe gets selections to the first team, "the media often s it up".

Kobe is a very good defender, but Jordan was an all time shut-down defender. Again is that just my opinion, yes it is. I doubt too many would hand Kobe the nod over MJ on D, except Laker fans, hugging very tightly to Kobe's nuts.

[Obstructed_View]

Again you are making excuses. 8 years is eight years.

No, I made a completely correct statement. Jordan played seven years in the NBA and won six championships. Whatever implication you draw from it is your problem, but I'm factually completely correct.

Nothing wrong with having a dominant center to extend your career. Nobody penalizes Jordan for having the best rebounder ever to carry the rebounding load.

Yeah, because the 20 points per game that Shaq scored didn't mean anything to Kobe.

What does this have to do with anything? Did Jordan play on the Barons?

Yeah, actually he did.

You're trying to say Kobe has been horrible since Shaq left but you fail to mention that Kobe's team those 3 previous years were horrible. I would have loved to see your boy Jordan win a championship with Luke, Smush, and Kwame in the starting lineup.

I would have liked to see Kobe take a shot in the pivotal game of the Suns series with that lineup.

[TheMACHINE]

this thread is still going?!

I dont think anyone in here thinks Kobe is better than Jordan...i just think its naive that most of you use the terms "light years away" and "not even close" or "cant hold his jock". Kobe is the closest players that ever came to Jordan and his skills are right there. You haters make it seem like if Kobe and Jordan played against each other, Kobe would score 2 and Jordan would score 50.

[Allanon]

No, I made a completely correct statement. Jordan played seven years in the NBA and won six championships. Whatever implication you draw from it is your problem, but I'm factually completely correct.

You said "Funny how six championships out of seven years can alter perspectives". It took Jordan 8 years, not seven years...you said nothing about "playing years. You were factually incorrect.

Yeah, because the 20 points per game that Shaq scored didn't mean anything to Kobe.

Yeah, because the 20 points per game that Pippen scored didn't mean anything to Jordan.

Yeah, actually he did.

Wake me up when the NBA open up a Baron's franchise.

I would have liked to see Kobe take a shot in the pivotal game of the Suns series with that lineup.

I would have liked to have seen Jordan win with Smush, Luke and Kwame.

[Allanon]

No scoring les, 5 league mvp's, 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, legendary playoff performances and one insane clutch shot after another make you great.

You are comparing Jordan's completed career with Kobe's ongoing career. Obviously not logical.

He is so faaaar behind in terms of accomplishments at age 30 it is crazy. He showed us nothing in the finals against the Celtics. Even less against the Pistons in 2004. This is your problem Kobe has gotten beat-down by teams Jordan would manhandle in the same position. MJ does not lose to the Pistons playing with Shaq my friend. MJ does not let Pierce eat his lunch in 6 games in the finals. You seem to think "Well if he gets 6 rings he is on Jordan's level", it's not that simple.

Kobe is so "faaaar behind" MJ? What had MJ accomplished going into the season at age 30?

Kobe is a very good defender, but Jordan was an all time shut-down defender. Again is that just my opinion, yes it is. I doubt too many would hand Kobe the nod over MJ on D, except Laker fans, hugging very tightly to Kobe's nuts.

Give me some fact instead of knob-slobbing MJ with your opinions. You keep coming up with "your point of view". Them ain't facts, my friend.

[Medvedenko]

this thread is still going?!

I dont think anyone in here thinks Kobe is better than Jordan...i just think its naive that most of you use the terms "light years away" and "not even close" or "cant hold his jock". Kobe is the closest players that ever came to Jordan and his skills are right there. You haters make it seem like if Kobe and Jordan played against each other, Kobe would score 2 and Jordan would score 50.

I do....

Oh and I forgot...when Jordan played no one scored on him and he never had a bad game and always blew everyone away. My bad people.

[DPG21920]

Jordan is the best player ever (a belief held by most everyone) and this has nothing to do with what position he played or rings (because he does not have the most) or anything. Kobe cannot be compared to Jordan because that would imply that Kobe is the best player ever. Which he is clearly not. He is not even better than Duncan (for his career) and Duncan is no where near the best player ever.

[Medvedenko]

Kobe=Jordan>Duncan.....
Why the confusion.

[dbreiden83080]

Give me some fact instead of knob-slobbing MJ with your opinions. You keep coming up with "your point of view". Them ain't facts, my friend.

Myself and others have been giving you facts up the ass for like 15 pages now, with a few opinions thrown in. You ignore every single fact and toss out the opinions by stating your own. What else do you want to discuss that we have not gone over exactly?

You feel Kobe with 6 rings will be right there with Jordan. It's a longshot he'll be seen in that light even with that many rings. A few morons on Sportcenter kissing Kobe's ass does not make him Jordan. We're done here.....

[dbreiden83080]

I do....

Oh and I forgot...when Jordan played no one scored on him and he never had a bad game and always blew everyone away. My bad people.

You know what else he didn't do. Let someone with half his talent like Paul Pierce kick his ass in the NBA finals.

[Allanon]

Myself and others have been giving you f the ass for like 15 pages now, with a few opinions thrown in. You ignore every single fact and toss out the opinions by stating your own. What else do you want to discuss that we have not gone over exactly?

What facts? The only fact I've seen is Jordan has slightly better numbers than Kobe. That is a fact. "Kobe will never catch Jordan" is one Spur fan's opinion.

You feel Kobe with 6 rings will be right there with Jordan. It's a longshot he'll be seen in that light even with that many rings.

A few morons on Sportcenter kissing Kobe's ass does not make him Jordan.

Of course, again YOUR opinion is the right one.

He is so faaaar behind in terms of accomplishments at age 30 it is crazy.

Kobe is so "faaaar behind" MJ? What had MJ accomplished going into the season at age 30?

We're done here.....

Run when you're wrong Spur fan.

[DPG21920]

What is your point Allanon? Every thing in life is subjective and opinion. When you go beyond stats and rings, you venture into opinion. So the fact that Jordan is WIDELY believed to be the best player ever, means that he is at least up there. Kobe is not even in the conversation, at all. Like I said in my last post, that is the reason why people think it is dumb to compare the two.

[mystargtr34]

Kobe=Jordan>Duncan.....
Why the confusion.

One guy lead a team to a championship as the main guy 4 times.

One guy has lead a team to a championship as the main guy, 0 times.

[dbreiden83080]

One guy lead a team to a championship as the main guy 4 times.

One guy has lead a team to a championship as the main guy, 0 times.

SHHHH

Quiet, all Kobe needs is 3 more rings and he is Jordan, just ask Allanon

[Allanon]

What is your point Allanon? Every thing in life is subjective and opinion. When you go beyond stats and rings, you venture into opinion. So the fact that Jordan is WIDELY believed to be the best player ever, means that he is at least up there. Kobe is not even in the conversation, at all.

Did you even read my posts? You're reading somebody else's post. Where do I even say Kobe is in the conversation with Jordan?

My point is Kobe is still early on in his career and the Spur fan posters have already closed the book on Kobe saying he'll "never catch Jordan".

Have you also closed the book on Kobe's career already?

Like I said in my last post, that is the reason why people think it is dumb to compare the two.

I'm not comparing the two. You mixed my post with somebody else, re-read the thread. I said Kobe can still catch up with Jordan, but prophetic Spur fans know the future and say he never can.

He is so faaaar behind in terms of accomplishments at age 30 it is crazy.

Kobe is so "faaaar behind" MJ? What had MJ accomplished going into the season at age 30?

We're done here.....

SHHHH

Quiet, all Kobe needs is 3 more rings and he is Jordan, just ask Allanon

Not quite done yet my friend?

[DPG21920]

What does it matter if he catches him? You are comparing them because you keep saying he can catch him. Do you think that even if Kobe catches Jordan in terms of just rings that he will be mentioned as one of the best players ever?

[Allanon]

What does it matter if he catches him?

It matters enough for there to be 6 pages to this thread.

You are comparing them because you keep saying he can catch him.

I'm saying can, as in possibility. I'm not crazy enough to compare current Kobe with end of career Jordan as some Spur posters.

Do you think that even if Kobe catches Jordan in terms of just rings that he will be mentioned as one of the best players ever?

When did I ever say just rings? If Kobe gets 6 rings, I said that the MJ comparisons would start but still not be enough.

I said if Kobe SURPASSES Jordan's ring count for sure he'll have a good argument for being better than Jordan. And if Kobe can get that many rings, I'm sure he'll get quite a few Finals MVPs.

Read the posts again, you're confusing me with somebody elae.