Your Vote, Your Reasons

[Shastafarian]

this thread is not much fun without a radical fundamentalist posting in it. We need to find another one ASAP

The Anti-Christ didn't do it for ya?

[hater]

"Newsweek has an interesting story about a guy who for years was an aimless drunk but one day, in an attempt to overcome his addiction, accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. By secluding himself with a small group of intensely devoted followers of Christ, he transformed from an aloof alcoholic into a man who now saw the world as divided into Good and Evil, with Christians as the good people and everyone else as doomed to . Instead of drinking, he would read the Holy Bible and the writings of evangelist ministers, and his slurred, drunken monologues were replaced by exhortations to everyone around him about the "power, wonder-working power" of the Lord and the duty of Christians to convert non-Christians (i.e., the evil ones) into followers of the One True God.


While this might sound like the creepy loner down the street whom everyone avoids, Newsweek's story is about a more public man, one who openly told a Jew that only Christians are welcome in Heaven. Newsweek's story is about the President of the United States. "

Maybe angel was in Bush's bible study group?

[cheguevara]

The Anti-Christ didn't do it for ya?

he's nothing compared to the mind of people like angel luv

[MannyIsGod]

I'm pretty sure I've apostasized from conservatism. Last week, someone called me a liberal communist sympathizer because I said that if Obama were elected, I wasn't going to pull the "he's not my President" card or call him "that n***** in the White House." So I'm out of the club. I am basically a pro-life moderate now, still slowly trending leftward.

Somewhere back there conservatism changed.

I think a lot of the country is with you. Which begs to question, why did McCain reach right instead of left? Had he moved to secure moderates and independents could he have actually won this election?

You know, I really wonder if McCain could go back and select Joe Lieberman as his VP if he would do that now.

[RandomGuy]

My vote goes to Obama.

I was an independent who tended to lean Democratic on social issues, and Republican when it came to fiscal matters.

The last 8 years have finished me on the Republican party. When Cheney said "deficits don't matter" and the trickle down voodoo economics became the mantra, that started losing me. The stupidity that is Iraq was what finished it and made me turn my back on the GOP, probably for the rest of my life.

As a vet and one with enough knowledge about the subject to know how unnecessary Iraq was and how negligently it was run, at the cost of lives in the thousands of servicemembers, I feel that Bush and his administration betrayed a sacred trust to provide our military with the best possible leadership. For that I cannot forgive Bush, and am angry beyond words. That so many Republicans questioned my patriotism for criticising this and bought into the lies, makes my decision to be a Democrat much easier.

I have stood aghast at the level of incompetence, and naked hubris of the current administration.

That it was so cavalier with our government, imposing ideological litmus tests on hiring for non-political posts, a war on science that surpressed data that contradicted its ideology, seizing new powers and really going for what is best described as an "imperial" presidency, simply reinforced my belief that the Republican party really didn't represent the best interests of the nation, and that the radicals had taken power.

After years of seeing the Dems shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to picking a presidential candidate, I was horrified when I saw the same thing about to happen with Hillary being the front runner. I personally don't have a problem with the woman, but knew that she would lose in any national election.

I looked around, did a bit of digging and found Obama to be the best out of a pack of good alternatives.

He was obviously intelligent, and spoke to audiences on topics as if they were grown ups. The speech in Philidelphia on race sealed it.

I do not agree with everything in his platform, I do not think he is some earth-shakingly new type of politician who has never said something because it was convenient or because it would increase his support.

Since the primaries, he has shown himself to be disciplined, driven, intelligent, and able to learn things quickly, and has developed an obvious grasp of all sorts of issues.

Inexperienced? Meh. Some of our best presidents have been inexperienced, and what really truly prepares you to be the president of the United States?

Given all this, I voted, cacuased, and call-banked for him in the primaries. I met the campaign workers from his national staff that came to my county, and was impressed at their drive, their intelligence, and their motivation.

This country needs a person who can attract such people to the next administration. Obama has looked more and more presidential every day, especially when put next to the McCain/Palin ticket.

I don't buy the hyterical doom and gloom scenarios of a country in ruins for electing Democrats. It is time for a change, and time for moderates to take back the government from the radicals who have been in charge.

[101A]

I think a lot of the country is with you. Which begs to question, why did McCain reach right instead of left? Had he moved to secure moderates and independents could he have actually won this election?

No. Bush's numbers, along with the banking collapse literally doomed him. NOTHING he could do about this. HE HAD to throw the Hail-Mary that was Palin; ANYTHING typical, or expected, was doomed.

You know, I really wonder if McCain could go back and select Joe Lieberman as his VP if he would do that now.

Their would have been pandemonium at his own convention had he chosen Leiberman. "Conservatives" would have stayed home, or written in "Ronald Reagan". Seriously.

[BacktoBasics]

My vote goes to Obama.

I was an independent who tended to lean Democratic on social issues, and Republican when it came to fiscal matters.

The last 8 years have finished me on the Republican party. When Cheney said "deficits don't matter" and the trickle down voodoo economics became the mantra, that started losing me. The stupidity that is Iraq was what finsihed it and made me turn my back on the GOP, probably for the rest of my life.

As a vet and one with enough knowledge about the subject to know how unnecessary Iraq was and how negligently it was run, at the cost of lives in the thousands of servicemembers, I feel that Bush and his administration betrayed a sacred trust to provide our military with the best possible leadership. For that I cannot forgive Bush, and am angry beyond words. That so many Republicans questioned my patriotism for criticising this and bought into the lies, makes my decision to be a Democrat much easier.

I have stood aghast at the level of incompetence, and naked hubris of the current administration.

That it was so cavalier with our government, imposing ideological litmus tests on hiring for non-political posts, a war on science that surpressed data that contradicted its ideology, seizing new powers and really going for what is best described as an "imperial" presidency, simply reinforced my belief that the Republican party really didn't represent the best interests of the nation, and that the radicals had taken power.

After years of seeing the Dems shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to picking a presidential candidate, I was horrified when I saw the same thing about to happen with Hillary being the front runner. I personally don't have a problem with the woman, but knew that she would lose in any national election.

I looked around, did a bit of digging and found Obama to be the best out of a pack of good alternatives.

He was obviously intelligent, and spoke to audiences on topics as if they were grown ups. The speech in Philidelphia on race sealed it.

I do not agree with everything in his platform, I do not think he is some earth-shakingly new type of politician who has never said something because it was convenient or because it would increase his support.

Since then, he has shown himself to be disciplined, driven, intelligent, and able to learn things quickly, and has developed an obvious grasp of all sorts of issues.

Inexperienced? Meh. Some of our best presidents have been inexperienced, and what really truly prepares you to be the president of the United States?

Given all this, I voted, cacuased, and call-banked for him in the primaries. I met the campaign workers from his national staff that came to my county, and was impressed at their drive, their intelligence, and their motivation.

This country needs a person who can attract such people to the next administration. Obama has looked more and more presidential every day, especially when put next to the McCain/Palin ticket.

I don't buy the hyterical doom and gloom scenarios of a country in ruins for electing Democrats. It is time for a change, and time for moderates to take back the government from the radicals who have been in charge.

Good post

[tp2021]

My vote goes to Obama.

I was an independent who tended to lean Democratic on social issues, and Republican when it came to fiscal matters.

The last 8 years have finished me on the Republican party. When Cheney said "deficits don't matter" and the trickle down voodoo economics became the mantra, that started losing me. The stupidity that is Iraq was what finished it and made me turn my back on the GOP, probably for the rest of my life.

As a vet and one with enough knowledge about the subject to know how unnecessary Iraq was and how negligently it was run, at the cost of lives in the thousands of servicemembers, I feel that Bush and his administration betrayed a sacred trust to provide our military with the best possible leadership. For that I cannot forgive Bush, and am angry beyond words. That so many Republicans questioned my patriotism for criticising this and bought into the lies, makes my decision to be a Democrat much easier.

I have stood aghast at the level of incompetence, and naked hubris of the current administration.

That it was so cavalier with our government, imposing ideological litmus tests on hiring for non-political posts, a war on science that surpressed data that contradicted its ideology, seizing new powers and really going for what is best described as an "imperial" presidency, simply reinforced my belief that the Republican party really didn't represent the best interests of the nation, and that the radicals had taken power.

After years of seeing the Dems shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to picking a presidential candidate, I was horrified when I saw the same thing about to happen with Hillary being the front runner. I personally don't have a problem with the woman, but knew that she would lose in any national election.

I looked around, did a bit of digging and found Obama to be the best out of a pack of good alternatives.

He was obviously intelligent, and spoke to audiences on topics as if they were grown ups. The speech in Philidelphia on race sealed it.

I do not agree with everything in his platform, I do not think he is some earth-shakingly new type of politician who has never said something because it was convenient or because it would increase his support.

Since the primaries, he has shown himself to be disciplined, driven, intelligent, and able to learn things quickly, and has developed an obvious grasp of all sorts of issues.

Inexperienced? Meh. Some of our best presidents have been inexperienced, and what really truly prepares you to be the president of the United States?

Given all this, I voted, cacuased, and call-banked for him in the primaries. I met the campaign workers from his national staff that came to my county, and was impressed at their drive, their intelligence, and their motivation.

This country needs a person who can attract such people to the next administration. Obama has looked more and more presidential every day, especially when put next to the McCain/Palin ticket.

I don't buy the hyterical doom and gloom scenarios of a country in ruins for electing Democrats. It is time for a change, and time for moderates to take back the government from the radicals who have been in charge.

Sir, this isn't what this thread is about at all!

[tp2021]

The more I read this stuff the more I wonder if Angel Luv masterbates.

Is her boyfriend allowed to kiss her....feel her up.... is he allowed to rub her leg? All in gods name of course.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[DarkReign]

I'm pretty sure I've apostasized from conservatism. Last week, someone called me a liberal communist sympathizer because I said that if Obama were elected, I wasn't going to pull the "he's not my President" card or call him "that n***** in the White House." So I'm out of the club. I am basically a pro-life moderate now, still slowly trending leftward.

Somewhere back there conservatism changed.

Invariably, Ive always thought myself a conservative....that was until I got here at Spurstalk and was told by the whottt/clanny/Yoni/Xrays of the world that I'm a terrorist loving liberal sociopath and then they provided links to other people to prove it.

I took stock of who I am and realized that if conservatism were a mental-health hospital, then the inmates had taken over the asylum without me noticing.

That more or less, removed me from their inner circle, and could never have cared less.

[DarkReign]

You know, I really wonder if McCain could go back and select Joe Lieberman as his VP if he would do that now.

He would have my vote, hands down, with no further thought.

Nothing to do with Lieberman, everything to do with balance in the Federal government.

[101A]

I don't buy the hyterical doom and gloom scenarios of a country in ruins for electing Democrats. It is time for a change, and time for moderates to take back the government from the radicals who have been in charge.

If you don't think Pelosi and Reed are radical, you have fallen way outside of the mainstream.

Nobody has answered, or commented, but I have brought it up twice; what do you think of the allowance of non-private voting for unionization?

[AntiChrist]

this thread is not much fun without a radical fundamentalist posting in it. We need to find another one ASAP

You rang?


Do not attack Angel_Luv. She is merely a messenger.

[Trainwreck2100]

this thread is not much fun without a radical fundamentalist posting in it. We need to find another one ASAP

All you ers are going to but me. REPENT!!!!!1 REPENT!!!!!!! I say

[DWest30]

If you don't think Pelosi and Reed are radical, you have fallen way outside of the mainstream.

Nobody has answered, or commented, but I have brought it up twice; what do you think of the allowance of non-private voting for unionization?

Ive been union and dont know anyone who is, so the issue doesnt resonate with me at all.

[DarkReign]

If you don't think Pelosi and Reed are radical, you have fallen way outside of the mainstream.

Nobody has answered, or commented, but I have brought it up twice; what do you think of the allowance of non-private voting for unionization?

In the sense that making the vote public would, in turn, demonize the nay-sayers with those in agreement with unionization?

[DarkReign]

Ive been union and dont know anyone who is, so the issue doesnt resonate with me at all.

You dont live in Michigan, obviously.

I am not union, btw.

[LnGrrrR]

Big props to 101A and ES for stating their take on the election.

Its weird, I am constantly called a liberal here, yet I have almost universally agreed with 2 conservatives on almost every issue of (my personal) importance (abortion just doesnt rank for me, ES).

Could it be *GASP* that we are not all so entirely different as our country says we are? Nah, that cant be it. You guys are different because I was told so, and thats that.

I think Angel_Luv blasted apart that notion on page 1.

[MannyIsGod]

Invariably, Ive always thought myself a conservative....that was until I got here at Spurstalk and was told by the whottt/clanny/Yoni/Xrays of the world that I'm a terrorist loving liberal sociopath and then they provided links to other people to prove it.

I took stock of who I am and realized that if conservatism were a mental-health hospital, then the inmates had taken over the asylum without me noticing.

That more or less, removed me from their inner circle, and could never have cared less.

I always considered myself more conservative before as well. That being said, I know my personal ideology has shifted to the left and I'm OK with that. I don't think I can consider myself anything but a liberal now.

[101A]

In the sense that making the vote public would, in turn, demonize the nay-sayers with those in agreement with unionization?

Yes.

And "demonize" is the least of what I imagine might happen.

What is wrong with secret ballot?

[Damien]

You rang?


Do not attack Angel_Luv. She is merely a messenger.

STFU message boy

[RandomGuy]

I'm pretty sure I've apostasized from conservatism. Last week, someone called me a liberal communist sympathizer because I said that if Obama were elected, I wasn't going to pull the "he's not my President" card or call him "that n***** in the White House." So I'm out of the club. I am basically a pro-life moderate now, still slowly trending leftward.

Somewhere back there conservatism changed.

Welcome to the club.

I used to consider myself a centrist, and somewhere along the line was called a liberal, and since then I have simply given up and worn the label with pride.

I revel in the fact that I get to f*** with what a lot of "conservatives" believe about "liberals".

Quite frankly I really believe the modern conservative movement has become morally and intellectually bankrupt.

It has been remarked that "revolutions tend to eat their children", i.e. after a revolution, the radicals tend to be the ones in power and pillory moderates for not being revolutionary enough. This seems to have happened with the Republican Revolution as well, and is evidenced by Palins recent remarks, and the RINO designation/ostracism of moderates in the GOP.

There seems to me to be something of a Democratic Revolution, and hopefully the moderates will be the ones in charge of this one.

[DWest30]

Invariably, Ive always thought myself a conservative....that was until I got here at Spurstalk and was told by the whottt/clanny/Yoni/Xrays of the world that I'm a terrorist loving liberal sociopath and then they provided links to other people to prove it.

I took stock of who I am and realized that if conservatism were a mental-health hospital, then the inmates had taken over the asylum without me noticing.

That more or less, removed me from their inner circle, and could never have cared less.

The GOP has fundamentally abandoned its traditional conservative principles in favor of a far-right ideology. Im hoping the spanking the GOP takes this year sends them into the wilderness where the sane conservatives eat the neo-cons for sustenance and come back led by another William F Buckley.

[101A]

Ive been union and dont know anyone who is, so the issue doesnt resonate with me at all.

Yeah, I'm in Pennsylvania now.

Just the concept of Congress passing a law TAKING AWAY the guarantee of a secret ballot seems anathema to most of what I believe, and I THOUGHT other Americans believed.

[JoeChalupa]

I always considered myself more conservative before as well. That being said, I know my personal ideology has shifted to the left and I'm OK with that. I don't think I can consider myself anything but a liberal now.

I'm pretty conservative when it comes to my home but have a progressive view on politics.