Back when this thread first started I knew right away it would reach epic status. We've discussed religion a lot on here, but not even the wingnuts like whottt or WildCobra would ever come out and say something like "I think Obama is the anti-christ". At least not in a completely serious manner.
wow, all you internet tough guys are showing alot of bravery attacking Angel Luv out here.
this is getting ridiculous.
THere are people here who believe that 911 was a staged attack, even going as far as believing that the govt used laser beams and special effects.
Some people here sided with a rapper who equated the Cops and Law enforcement with alqueda.
Some of you need to self asses yourselves.
Then you have MannyisGod telling a black girl she's racist.
Wow, this is totally topsy turvy world.
If anybody is racist it's Manny for posing with the obama campaign. The obama campaign doesn't need more vicous monkey metaphors. Our nation is already divided as it is.
I've seen this before somewhere...
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...104358&page=65
I didn't see the media spin it that way.
One thing I like about Obama is that he openly says what he plans to do. Obama says "Yes, Joe, I'm going to take some of your money and spread it around to make things more fair". I don't like the idea, but at least Obama's not being sneaky about it.
What the do you think a graduated income tax is? That's spreading the ing wealth moron.
Joe the Plumber is actually getting a tax cut under Obama. He doesn't make anywhere near $250K
She's bat crazy. If you're going to argue that point, please present your case.
Delusional people. Thankfully they're the minority in this forum.
I missed that one, but we can also chalk it up to either ignorance and/or idiocy.
Well, that's ONE poster in how many that participated in this thread?
Why generalize?
Did you tell that to angel? Because what she wants is to divide and conquer.
Going back to taxes for a moment...
If I ruled the world, I would impose a "Top Ten" list on every tax form that would be filled out by each individual filing. It would list ten categories, such as, "Defense", "Education", "Energy" etc etc. And I would make people order it from 1-10 in order of most to least important to them. And sure, I'd throw a write in too, most likely.
This would be a quick and relatively efficient way, I feel, to get an idea of what the American taxpayer thinks his taxes should go forward to. Not a hard and fast rule by any means, but it would be a great yardstick for determining what the American people would like to see funded. I really can't see the downside. (Apart from H&R Block likely getting a disproportionate amount of votes...)
My vote's in for Obama (and extending alcohol sales from 12am to 2am in Hays Co.)
The "Anti-Christ" is a black man, who would have thought...
Cool. We agree on that. Here's a thread from Wild Cobra that was posted shortly after the story broke: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...hlight=plumber
It's stuff like this that I'm referring to, which of course doesn't speak for everyone.
Who the are you?
I'll say.
Some of us also need to learn English but I digress.
Amazing thread. 30,000 views and closing in on comment #1000!
It's an incredible thread.
It's got a ways to go in the views department though.
The "Magic Jack-New Phone Sevice" thread in the Club has 174,415 views. (But only 165 replies).
Are nude photos allowed? That always seems to jack up a thread's views
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107642Are nude photos allowed? That always seems to jack up a thread's views
Its ok to feel like that about a black man, we all have "instincts" that tell us so
Before responding, I'm going to again point out your self proclaimed regarding Christianity; you clearly stated that your knowledge of the Bible consists of having 'read a few pages, and thrown it down', don't proclaim ignorance on a subject and then expect your opinions to be taken seriously, that serves only to compound your ignorance.
On the subjects I'm not well versed in, but am interested in, I read the post and get an education on the subject, I may ask questions, but I don't post as if I have a good grasp of the subject, more often than not you come across looking like an ass ( o!).Oh really, JJ? And in what capacity have you shown open-mindedness in any subject that objects to your worldview?
Poignant.You see, the difference between people like you and people like me, is that in our world there is more than enough room for you.
Your total lack of understanding into Christianity is stunning, you have no insight into the spiritual nature of redeemed man, and in spite of that you insist on posting this nonsensical mess, and because you do, you end up looking like a clown.But in your world, I must accept Jesus to be considered equal in your moral eyes.
I'm saved by the Grace of God, who sent his Son Jesus Christ into this World to free mankind from the bondage of inherent sin. If you feel unequal that's on you, no one's forcing you to reject Christianity, you've made that decision on your own. Likewise, no one coerced me to accept Jesus Christ as my Saviour; born into a Christian home my dad was an ordained minister, yet I was never forced to pray, read the Bible, and most importantly, I was not forced to accept Christianity (no indoctrination), that was a decision I made for myself, a personal, heartfelt confrontation between myself and my Creator.
Don't lecture me about unequality based on my decision to accept the teaching of Jesus, and yours to reject those same teachings. The difference, or unequality as you chose to phrase it, is about redemption, a redemption many choose to take partake of, a redemption that frees one from the penalty of sin and gives them the promise of someday being united with God and Christ in some heavenly realm.
It's not about equality, your where you are because that's where you choose to be and likewise for me.
You've hit a new low on this subject, attributing your words and thoughts to me, and pretending to know what's in the back of my mindSure, you may respect certain portions of m existence, but there will always be that one caveat in the back of your mind that says "Ha, silly heathen. Forgive him, he knows not what he does" or some other condescending that youve somehow climbed the "moral ladder" a step or two higher by professing your soul to the Imaginary Man in the Sky.
I am a respecter of man to the extent that they have allowed the nature of Christ to overshadow mankind's unredemptive nature.
Your mocking of God as an "imaginary man in the sky" is churlish. This belief puts me in the company of some of the most respected posters on this board, Extra Stout, FromWayDowntown, Spurminator (correct me if I'm mistaken), among many others, and some other rather prominent individuals such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Pope and his billion or so followers, Billy Graham, and a mul ude of others, are the entire lot of us stupid idiots for believing in this God who you dismiss as Imaginary? You, who read all of what, 3 pages before dismissing it as nonsense? That's the heighth of ignorance and arrogance.
That's your categorization, not mine, quit trying to attribute your thoughts to me.So I will always be "less" than you in some way.
I don't care if it bothers you, you don't decide what I keep to myself, and your ignorance of scripture, is what it is, by your own choosing.That wouldnt bother me if you could just keep that to yourself, but no, you decided to jump in here and try telling me how dumb I am about scripture
Oh wise one, that is a blatant lie, show me one instance where I've wavered or been inconsistent in what I believe.Do you know why? Because people like you cant make your ing mind about what it says in the first place!
It's true, and you're screwed only if you wish to be, your choice, and even though your intent is to be sacastic, you are correct in that salvation comes simultaneously with the request, even if it's right before you pass on.Is it all true or is it a metaphor? Tell me! If you say its true and real and that it actually happened as it is written, then I am ed. So are a lot of other people, unless of course on their deathbed they accept Jesus as their Lord an savior.
Because you say so, huh?The Bible is either wholly true and to be read as literal, or its an 800+ page metaphor. There is no middle ground on that issue. Its one or the other. Its literal or its a metaphor. Cant have both.
Just what is says, that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between man and God.So when I read "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." What does that mean?
You are free to explore, reject, accept, dismiss, adhere to anything you wish, you are constrained by nothing, or no one, that's the beauty of living in this Country, and the beauty of Christianity.If the Bible is literal, it means you dont get to meet your maker unless you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior as described in the Bible. No interpretation needed or expected, what is written is exactly what it means. No exceptions, no excuses, period. the Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists, Aborigines and the those poor souls who had a bad luck streak being born in an African jungle who have never even heard of the Bible, much less Christ. Thats a real "all-inclusive" religion you have there, if its meant to be taken literally and as truth (the Bible that is). I think thats an ultimate stretch of the interpretation of such a simple sentence, but I could accept that if the Bible isnt literal. That it shouldnt be used as empirical historical evidence, that some of the obvious divine miracles Jesus performed might not have actually happened like it says it did.
Which is it, JJ, since you obviously know so much more about scripture than I do (seriously). Since youve spent a better part of your life studying/learning/adhering to the Bible, you tell me, is it all true or a giant metaphor?
Certainly in your lifetime of piousness you could surely answer such a simple question?
There has been plenty of discourse on the subject over the three or so years you have been a member of this forum, to this point you have maintained the same position over those years. In light of that, no answer I give would be sufficient for you, if you are honest and really seek some answers you'll have to find them on your own, there's been ample advice from many different posters. If you ever truly endeavor to search for the Truth, I wish you the best, and I'm confident that if you do, you'll have put yourself in the position to be at the crossroad where man and God are a heartbeat away from each other, and you can then decide for yourself, in his presence, which road you choose to travel.
Christ is the Saviour not man; we are prone to failure, he is not; we strive to reflect his nature as best we can, yet we fall short; we do our best for others, even as one day someone did for us, to lead other to the Saviour, and that's where our mission is complete, anything more than that, the utmost important matter of Salvation, is with him, but the decision rests with you.
It's not complicated at all DR, I'll end this with a couple of Scriptures;
"Behold, I stand at the door (of mans heart) and knock, if any man would open the door, I will come in to him and commune with him, and he with me".
"You will seek me and you will find me when you search for me with all your heart".
A few questions for you.Before responding, I'm going to again point out your self proclaimed regarding Christianity; you clearly stated that your knowledge of the Bible consists of having 'read a few pages, and thrown it down', don't proclaim ignorance on a subject and then expect your opinions to be taken seriously, that serves only to compound your ignorance.
On the subjects I'm not well versed in, but am interested in, I read the post and get an education on the subject, I may ask questions, but I don't post as if I have a good grasp of the subject, more often than not you come across looking like an ass ( o!).
Poignant.
Your total lack of understanding into Christianity is stunning, you have no insight into the spiritual nature of redeemed man, and in spite of that you insist on posting this nonsensical mess, and because you do, you end up looking like a clown.
I'm saved by the Grace of God, who sent his Son Jesus Christ into this World to free mankind from the bondage of inherent sin. If you feel unequal that's on you, no one's forcing you to reject Christianity, you've made that decision on your own. Likewise, no one coerced me to accept Jesus Christ as my Saviour; born into a Christian home my dad was an ordained minister, yet I was never forced to pray, read the Bible, and most importantly, I was not forced to accept Christianity (no indoctrination), that was a decision I made for myself, a personal, heartfelt confrontation between myself and my Creator.
Don't lecture me about unequality based on my decision to accept the teaching of Jesus, and yours to reject those same teachings. The difference, or unequality as you chose to phrase it, is about redemption, a redemption many choose to take partake of, a redemption that frees one from the penalty of sin and gives them the promise of someday being united with God and Christ in some heavenly realm.
It's not about equality, your where you are because that's where you choose to be and likewise for me.
You've hit a new low on this subject, attributing your words and thoughts to me, and pretending to know what's in the back of my mind
I am a respecter of man to the extent that they have allowed the nature of Christ to overshadow mankind's unredemptive nature.
Your mocking of God as an "imaginary man in the sky" is churlish. This belief puts me in the company of some of the most respected posters on this board, Extra Stout, FromWayDowntown, Spurminator (correct me if I'm mistaken), among many others, and some other rather prominent individuals such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Pope and his billion or so followers, Billy Graham, and a mul ude of others, are the entire lot of us stupid idiots for believing in this God who you dismiss as Imaginary? You, who read all of what, 3 pages before dismissing it as nonsense? That's the heighth of ignorance and arrogance.
That's your categorization, not mine, quit trying to attribute your thoughts to me.
I don't care if it bothers you, you don't decide what I keep to myself, and your ignorance of scripture, is what it is, by your own choosing.
Oh wise one, that is a blatant lie, show me one instance where I've wavered or been inconsistent in what I believe.
It's true, and you're screwed only if you wish to be, your choice, and even though your intent is to be sacastic, you are correct in that salvation comes simultaneously with the request, even if it's right before you pass on.
Because you say so, huh?
Just what is says, that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between man and God.
You are free to explore, reject, accept, dismiss, adhere to anything you wish, you are constrained by nothing, or no one, that's the beauty of living in this Country, and the beauty of Christianity.
Which is it, JJ, since you obviously know so much more about scripture than I do (seriously). Since youve spent a better part of your life studying/learning/adhering to the Bible, you tell me, is it all true or a giant metaphor?
Certainly in your lifetime of piousness you could surely answer such a simple question?
There has been plenty of discourse on the subject over the three or so years you have been a member of this forum, to this point you have maintained the same position over those years. In light of that, no answer I give would be sufficient for you, if you are honest and really seek some answers you'll have to find them on your own, there's been ample advice from many different posters. If you ever truly endeavor to search for the Truth, I wish you the best, and I'm confident that if you do, you'll have put yourself in the position to be at the crossroad where man and God are a heartbeat away from each other, and you can then decide for yourself, in his presence, which road you choose to travel.
Christ is the Saviour not man; we are prone to failure, he is not; we strive to reflect his nature as best we can, yet we fall short; we do our best for others, even as one day someone did for us, to lead other to the Saviour, and that's where our mission is complete, anything more than that, the utmost important matter of Salvation, is with him, but the decision rests with you.
It's not complicated at all DR, I'll end this with a couple of Scriptures;
"Behold, I stand at the door (of mans heart) and knock, if any man would open the door, I will come in to him and commune with him, and he with me".
"You will seek me and you will find me when you search for me with all your heart".
1.) What do you believe will happen to non-believers of Christ when they die?
2.) What will happen to those who by no luck of their own are ignorant of Christ and his teachings and thus had no chance to accept/reject him when they die?
I will reiterate again that I have no problems with Christians so long as they ALL admit the following about their religion and their beliefs.
1.) There is no compelling argument that the historicity of Jesus is as indicated in the New Testament Gospel. In other words, there is no convincing historical proof that Jesus ever existed the way it says he did in the New Testament Gospels. In fact, there is actually more evidence to believe that it was likely fabricated based on what we do know but I'll let that one slide.
2.) They have no way of knowing with any degree of certainty that what they believe about God is the truth.
If every Christian I ever met held these beliefs the world would be a far better place. The problem with religions like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is that the religion itself has been distorted over the years by their respective churches to be completely exclusive of non-believers. Even going so far as to preach violence against non-believers.
If God really did reveal himself to humanity I'd wager the Buddhists likely have it right. Let me know when someone starts a holy war in the name of Buddhism.
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