Im also thinking about the Bonner factor. Manu mentioned that between Bonner and Tolliver they were going to replace Horry's role. I think Pop is looking more for a 3pt shooter than can space the floor and also have the size to defend in the post. With Bonner playing the way he is, who is picked takes more relevance. Hairston I think it's a better defender than Tolliver, although I think Tolliver has more size(?). And I don't think has a 3pt range. (and I know. Tolliver has been shooting poorly, but Pop didn't seem concerned)
Farmer's still my first choice. Has been all along. Malik Hairston has really impressed me too lately. Based on preseason play after today I'd have to say Farmer and Hairston. Tolliver hasn't really shown it in the preseason at all. It's really weird - what are the Spurs basing their decisions off of? Practice? Surely it can't be over 200k could it TiMVP?
Oh, I'm not defending that kind of ignorance at all. I just mean that the statement was made by someone who had to go to ESPN.com to get information on the guy, and then proceeded to tip his hand with that comment.
Quit slacking timvp, where's the player analysis!?!
The guy scored nine points with nine field goal attempts. On what planet does that equal good shooting? Seriously, I don't think you even watch the games.
Yeah those 9 points he had tonight on some good shooting showed nothing.
I'm guessing practice. Pop has been talking so highly of RMJ and how he's been a great scorer ... yet his scoring numbers in actual games are nothing special and his shooting percentage is almost Tolliver-esque.
Tolliver probably fills the nets during practice. All the coaches talk about how he just needs to calm down and hit the open shots. Something has the coaches convinced he's a great shooter ... must be practice with a slice of summer league mixed in.
Personally, I'm far from sold on Tolliver being a great shooter. Or even a good shooter. I've looked at all his stats dating back to high school and the kid has never proven to be a lights out shooter, even against decent to poor compe ion. The only time he really, really shot the ball was in summer league this past summer.
Dude, I agree with you, but calm down.
And I think he meant good for Tolliver.
Pardon me
I shall bow to your all knowningness from now on.
Pardon the out of me for having an opinion.
Have fun,.
I haven't seen Tolliver play any post defense yet. I'll go back and watch tonight's game again, but I'd be surprised if he did it more than once. I can't think of any scenario where I'd rather have Tolliver defending the post over Hairston.
Hill couldn't hit the side of a barn during summer league and there he is. I think Pop looks at more than your shooting percentage to like or dislike a player.
Tolliver has had games with 5+ rebounds in the preseason, and those are always brownie points with Pop.
Against seven footers or bulky power forwards, I'd rather have Tolliver defending the post than Hairston. Hairston is a pretty darn good interior defender for his size but his wingspan of 6-foot-9 makes him a liability. Tolliver is much softer right now down low but he has a 7-foot-3 wingspan which should in time allow him to handle all but the biggest players in the league.
But yeah, Hairston's defense any other year would have Pop rushing to sign him. This year, with Pop stressing offense, I'm not sure which way Pop will go.
I would have to go back and take a look at the boxscores for the preseason games, but I think Tolliver has been a much better rebounder than Hairston. I would also take a peek on how many 3pt attempts Malik had. I thnk spreading the floor is key for Pop, and if Hairston doesn't have the range, then Tolliver is definitely a lock.
While I agree they couldn't just give up on Ian, I disagree that adding Watkins would make for too many bigs. Had Spilitter not stiffed the Spurs, it's very likely they were going to carry a 7th big anyway. I mean, they were not going to let KT walk. Now you could argue the fact that Splitter would've made Tolliver expendable. But I doubt it.
I don't see Pop going with two rookies backing up Parker so Vaughn probably stays.
I'm not giving up yet. I've asked for your opinions, because I honestly want to know them. You're clinging to Pop's skirt tails and saying he's been shooting well when he hasn't. Pardon the out of me for being frustrated and trying to pry a better take from you. Gleefully pointing out that Pop's going to put him on the team whether we like it or not isn't really a convincing case, even if I agree that it's probably true.
Deep breath...
Don't forget. Tolliver seemingly has a higher basketball IQ than Red Rocket.
I'm not clinging to Pop's skirt on anything, thats only in your own delusional Beno Udrih loving head that I do, and I've said WHY I like him.
Because you think it NOT to be true, doesn't make it any less so.
That's amazing. I was looking for exactly that information when you posted it up. I'd have never thought he had arms like that. Hairston seems to play bigger than his height, and Tolliver seems to play smaller. Imagine if they could swap bodies, Freaky Friday style...
You think he'd take Farmer over Hairston? I like Farmer, but someone will pick up Hairston as soon after the Spurs let him go as is allowed. He has no chance to go to Austin, IMO.
I've said that, but that doesn't seem to make a difference.
He would've made him redundant. Stupid decreasind dollar...
eh?He would've made him redundant. Stupid decreasind dollar...
That's probably true, but having watched some of these young guys play and handle the ball, I'm much less opposed to the idea of finding a way to get rid of JV than I was before, and I suspect Pop might be as well.
It would if Tolliver and Bonner were competing for a roster spot.
Unless Pop has a CIA move up his sleeve, Tolliver is a lock. It's pretty obvious.
They're competing for minutes during the season and I guarantee if a team wanted Bonner right now the Spurs would happily oblige.
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