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This simple question will put an end to all this Jordan Vs Kobe bull ......
Who would you rather have leading your team in their prime.................Me?
JORDAN
Completely incorrect is your opinion saying my opinion is wrong. Sorry if I don't think your opinion is more correct than mines.
"if Kobe hits 6 the Jordan comparisons will begin", yes they will begin, but I would not agree with it. They are ALREADY beginning and Kobe only has 3.
I don't understand your Duncan and D-Rob comparison. Duncan has 4 rings and DRob has 1. If Duncan had 1 and DRob had 1, I can see your point but Duncan is obviously superior by a wide margin.Re-read my Duncan and D-Rob comparison. Does he have rings yes? Is he slapped down a peg for needing Duncan to get over the hump? You better believe it.
That is why I say Kobe would need 7-8 rings to make a serious case. I've said it a million times, Kobe with 6 rings would not be enough. But what if he had 7 and the Finals MVPs, MVPs that came with it?Again Kobe's career will be a career in 2 parts, with Shaq and post Shaq. Jordan doesn't have that problem. He played second fiddle to nobody his whole career.
This simple question will put an end to all this Jordan Vs Kobe bull ......
Who would you rather have leading your team in their prime.................Me?
JORDAN
You don't know when Kobe's prime is, his career's not over.
I think he is in his prime now. He isnt going to be hittin 81pts in a game a year or two from now period.
You may think but you do not know.
As for 81, if Kobe wanted to and Phil let him, Kobe could still put up 81. There's just no need for it with as much help as he has. Kobe doesn't need to put up 40 a night anymore for the Lakers to win.
Kobe's game is still improving, last year his FG% went up. Who knows what he'll do these next couple of years.
Jordan was still in his prime at age 35.
Read more carefully, take off the Laker cap and you'll begin to understand.
Who is saying this exactly? Except you, i don't hear anyone saying Kobe is within 100 miles of Jordan. If he was 90 miles behind the beating Pierce gave him knocked him back another 10.
First of all D-Rob has 2 rings, 1999 and 2003 second of all i laid it all out for you. You have to look at the specific cir stances behind how these les were won, when factoring in great players legacies. It's nice and easy if we all can just count up rings. Horry would be in the Hall of Fame.
No he wasn't. Jordan was so great in his prime by age 35 he was still the best player in the game but he was not nearly as explosive to the hoop and could not bring it for 40 min consistantly anymore. He gave it more in spurts, he had less energy.
More Spur fan bias.
Look at the article, is was not written by me. Jemele Hill made a very publicized article about Jordan vs Kobe. Opening your eyes up beyond the Alamodome will set you free.Who is saying this exactly? Except you, i don't hear anyone saying Kobe is within 100 miles of Jordan. If he was 90 miles behind the beating Pierce gave him knocked him back another 10.
DRob has 2 rings, Duncan has 4. Still no comparison.First of all D-Rob has 2 rings, 1999 and 2003 second of all i laid it all out for you. You have to look at the specific cir stances behind how these les were won, when factoring in great players legacies. It's nice and easy if we all can just count up rings. Horry would be in the Hall of Fame.
Horry has rings but no MVPs, he cannot make a case with guys like Duncan and DRob. But I do think he will make the HOF.
All I know is if Jordan lead that Laker team last year in the championship......at the same age as Kobe, the Lakers would have disposed of the Celtics in 6 games. That is how sure I am that Jordan is better than Kobe.
Jordan scored 30 points at age 35 and won a championship. He also played very close to 40 minutes a game.
And you say he wasn't in his prime? Maybe Jordan's so great, in his prime he could have won two championships in the same year instead of just 1
Isn't she that dumb chick that got slapped by ESPN for making racist comments? You ever see her on First Take? She has the sports IQ of Tony Kornheiser.
If Duncan had 2 and D-Rob had 2, there would be comparison.
Zero chance Horry makes the HOF. He has a career scoring avg of 7 PPG.
I wouldn't be too sure of that.
Jordan lost to the Pistons 3 years in a row with a very good team.
He was wiser at this point, but not physically in his prime. Dayum, dont you know what a seasoned veteran means?You take the fade away now instead of the athletic dunks and flying through the lane shots.
I didn't say it was right or wrong. You said I was the only person mentioning it and you are wrong.
YesIf Duncan had 2 and D-Rob had 2, there would be comparison.
This I can agree on, I'd LIKE to see him make the HOF.Zero chance Horry makes the HOF. He has a career scoring avg of 7 PPG.
So you are saying athletic ability makes "prime" and getting smarter doesn't? What Jordan lacked in physical ability, he made up in skill and smarts. He became a better jumpshooter as he got older, he picked his spots better. Shoot, we should line up all the dumb ahletic players for you.He was wiser at this point, but not physically in his prime. Dayum, dont you know what a veteran means? You take the fade away now instead of the athletic dunks and flying through the lane shots.
He wasn't in his prime anymore. He played almost 40 min more in spurts, Jordan used to drive to the hoop with reckless abandon, he became more of a jump-shooter in the last few years with the Bulls. Couldn't get in the lane and explode like before or take the pounding anymore. Like i said though he was still the best player in the game. A drop off for him is not like other greats.Jordan scored 30 points at age 35 and won a championship. He also played very close to 40 minutes a game.
And you say he wasn't in his prime? Maybe Jordan's so great, in his prime he could have won two championships in the same year instead of just 1
35 isnt really anyones prime in pro basketball dude........you should know that.So you are saying athletic ability makes "prime" and getting smarter doesn't? What Jordan lacked in physical ability, he made up in skill and smarts. He became a better jumpshooter as he got older. Shoot, we should line up all the dumb ahletic players for you.
I'm going to lunch for an hour, I'll be back to talk to you Spur fans then.
Jordan wasn't just "anyone", dude.35 isnt really anyones prime in pro basketball dude........you should know that.
NO!!! Duncan Finals MVP 1999 and 2003, league MVP 2003,
D-ROB 1999 and 2003 ???????
It's really hilarious how you just want to count rings. D-Rob's best years are when his legacy was most defined. Not when Duncan became the go to guy in SA.
Let me give this to you another way. It's like working on a team project at your job. You didn't do nearly as much work, aren't the one most responsible for the success of the project, yet come bonus time you want as much as the guy who was doing the heavy lifting. If your boss was paying attention and has an ounce of common sense, that's not happening.
Last edited by dbreiden83080; 10-23-2008 at 03:11 PM.
Jordan wasn't just "anyone", dude.
You just dont get it. I thought you understood basketball.
Jordans NBA records:
Holds NBA Finals records for:
* Finals MVP honors (6)
* named MVP in each Finals appearance
* scoring average, single-series (41.0 ppg)
* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
* consecutive games, 20 or more points (35, June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
* only player to score 20 or more points in all games, career (min. 15 games)
* Jordan scored at least 20 in all 35 of his Finals performances
* consecutive games, 40 or more points (4, June 11-18, 1993)
* points, one half (35)
* set in 1st half vs. the Portland Trail Blazers, June 3, 1992
* field goals made, one half (14)
* did so twice; vs. Portland, June 3, 1992 and vs. Phoenix, June 16, 1993
* shared with Isiah Thomas
* consecutive field goals made (13)
* set vs. the Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991
* free throws made, quarter (9)
* shared with Frank Ramsey
* three point field goals made, one half (6)
* set vs. the Portland Trail Blazers, June 3, 1992
* shared with Kenny Smith
* scoring 30 or more points in all games of series
* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
* shared with Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, Hakeem Olajuwon and Shaquille O'Neal
* points, 6-game series (246)
* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
* field goals made, 6-game series (101)
* set in the 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
* steals, 5-game series (14)
* set in the 1991 NBA Finals vs. the Los Angeles Lakers
* highest assists average not by a point guard, single-series (11.4 apg)
* set in the 1991 NBA Finals vs. the Los Angeles Lakers
Playoffs
Holds NBA Playoff Records for:
* points per game average, career (33.45)
* points, career (5,987)
* points, single postseason (759, 1992)
* also ranks 5th (680, 1998) and 6th (666, 1993)
* 50 point games (8)
* 40 point games (38)
* 30 point games (109)
* 20 point games (174)
* consecutive games, 10 or more points (179)
* scored 10 points or more in every career playoff game
* consecutive games, 20 or more points (60)
* June 2, 1989 - May 11, 1993
* points in a game (63)
* set vs. the Boston Celtics, April 20, 1986
* averaged 43.7 ppg, 5.7 apg, and 6.3 rpg for the three games series against the Boston Celtics
* points in a 3-game series (135)
* set in the 1992 First Round vs. the Miami Heat
* points in a 5-game series (226)
* set in the 1988 First Round vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers
* field goals attempted, career (4,497)
* field goals made per game, career (12.2)
* field goals made in a game (24)
* set vs. Cleveland Cavaliers on May 1, 1988
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain and John Havlicek
* field goals attempted, half (25)
* set vs. Cleveland Cavaliers on May 1st, 1988
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor
* field goals made in a 3-game series (53)
* set in the 1992 First Round vs. the Miami Heat
* field goals made in a 5-game series (86)
* set in the 1988 First Round vs. the Cleveland Cavaliers
* field goals made in a 6-game series (101)
* set in 1993 NBA Finals vs. the Phoenix Suns
* consecutive field goals made (13)
* set vs. the Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991
* free throws made, career (1,463)
* free throws made, quarter (13)
* blocks by a guard, career (158)
* free throws made per game, rookie (12.0)
* free throws attempted per game, rookie (14.5)
Holds NBA All-Star Game records for:
* points, career (262)
* field goals made, career (110)
* field goals made, game (17)
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain and Kevin Garnett
* field goals attempted, career (233)
* field goals attempted, game (27)
* shared with Rick Barry
* steals, career (37)
* blocked shots, half (4)
Regular season
Holds NBA regular season records for:
* All-Defensive First Team honors (9)
* shared with Gary Payton
* Player Efficiency Rating, career (27.91)
* points per game average, career (30.12)
* consecutive games scoring in double-digits (866)
* seasons leading the league in points per game average (10)
* consecutive seasons leading the league in points per game average (7, 1986-87 through 1992-93)
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain
* Appears on the All-time top 100 list of most points per game in a season a record 9 times.
* seasons leading the league in total points (11)
* Appears on the All-time top 100 list of most points in a season a record 11 times.
* seasons leading the league in field goals made (10)
* consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7)
* shared with Wilt Chamberlain
* seasons leading the league in field goals attempted (9)
* seasons leading the league in steals per game (3)
* highest Game Score on record
* 64.6 at the Cleveland Cavaliers on March 28, 1990
* free throws made, one half
* 20, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
* free throws attempted, one half
* 23, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
* free throws made, one quarter (shared)
* 14, against the Utah Jazz on November 15, 1989, and against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
* free throws attempted, one quarter (shared)
* 16, against the Miami Heat on December 30, 1992
* steals, one half (8)
* shared with 11 players
* oldest player to score 50 points in one game (51 points, 7 rebounds, aged 38 years, 315 days)
* against the New Orleans Hornets, December 29, 2001
* oldest player and only player at age 40 or older to score 40 points in one game (43 points, 10 rebounds)
* against the New Jersey Nets, February 21, 2003
* scored 40 or more points 3 times, in his final year
* scored 30 or more points 9 times, in his final year
* scored 20 or more points 42 times, in his final year
* blocked shots by a guard, season (131, 1987-88)
* blocked shots by a guard, career (893)
Kobes NBA records; (No finals or playoff records.......so we will just go with what we have)
NBA records
Kobe Bryant shares two NBA records:
* Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[22]
* Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 5 other players).[22][23]
* Youngest player to score 15,000 points: (27 years, 136 days)
* Youngest player to score 20,000 points: (29 years, 122 days)[24]
* surpassing Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record.[24]
* Bryant also became one of the only three players to reach the milestone under the age of 30. The other two are Chamberlain (29 years, 134 days)[24] and Michael Jordan (29 years, 326 days).[25]
* Youngest Slam Dunk champion: (18 years, 175 days), after winning the contest at the 1997 NBA All-Star Weekend.
* Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999–00)[26]
* Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)[27]
Yeah, Kobe will catch up.
Last edited by lebomb; 10-23-2008 at 03:06 PM.
^^
Does Kobe also have the record for most team-mates that think he is a piece of , and most times slapped by Paul Pierce??
It's hilarious that you keep adding stuff in after the fact.
You said, if Duncan had 2 rings and David Robinson had 2 rings. You didn't say anthing about MVPs, etc. Duncan's career would not have been been so great compared to DRob's if both had ended up with 2 rings. So you are wrong.
Read it for your self
You make Jordan out to be able to walk on water but then you expect him to be just "anyone".You just dont get it. I thought you understood basketball.
Huh?
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