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Good Lord....
a parent that's actually afraid of letting his teenage daughter go on a church retreat because he's afraid that they'll hold out a stopwatch on a chain in front of her and hypnotize the kid into being a Bible beater that rides around on bicycles banging on people's doors during dinner time.
I've got a better idea. Let her hang out with the gangsta kids at school instead and see what kind of retreats they go to on the weekends.
Gimme a friggin break.
you can't compare the two you ing moron. I don't want her being seduced by the thumpers anymore than I want her hanging out with gang members. What a ing pointless analogy.
Not all bible beaters run around on Huffy's just to make pals. Some and right here on this board want their religion to dominate all humans, their governments and all of mankind. Pretty ing sick regardless of the god facade.
Few atheists would claim to be 100% sure there is no god. Most atheists believe it's highly unlikely, and that it's ridiculous to believe something that has never been demonstrated. As an atheist, I find it extremely illogical the way believers can't give objective ways to measure god's existence. Everyone says you can feel his presence during prayer, but that more likely to just be people feeling happy when they do something they believe to be good. When I was religious the first 19 years of my life, I always found myself not really believing any of the stuff I tried hard to get, and never feeling this alleged presence of god.
Re ed post of the day.
Probably because this feeling is created by humans. How can they really know or be sure that they've really experienced/witnessed god?
Believe. That's what we all do. In fact, it seems to take a heck of a lot more faith to be an Atheist than it does to acknowledge the existence of God.
Hey jeenyus. You just did compare the two.
my God, the way you rambled on like a scared myopian to begin this thread, you'd think you were more scared of the church goers than gang bangers.
It's a friggin church retreat. They teach good moral principles to kids, which these kids need to hear from someone other that mom or idiot dad. You sure as arent gonna find the public schools teaching your kid good morals any more because they are too scared to even look the wrong way at a kid without being afraid of getting sued by a parent.
yeah, there are some sick people out there that try to impose their belief system on other people whether they want it or not, whether it be regarding religion, politics, sports or BBQ joints, but to lump everyone that believes in God into this category of overblown religious fanatic is disgustingly ignorant.
And if you brought up your daughter the right way already, then by the age of 12, she should have a pretty good grasp of making up her own belief system that YOU arent trying to impose on her, you hypocritical sumbeetch.
It takes more faith to be an atheist? Are you serious? It takes more faith to believe something we cannot see, hear, touch, smell, etc. doesn't exist than to think it does? So it also takes faith to say it's extremely unlikely there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster just like it's extremely unlikely there is a holy trinity?
really? let's review:
1. basic doesn't like his kids hanging out with the church kids because they might [and I quote] "warp his daughter's mind"
2. add that to the way he cusses off anyone that even posts in a 3 thread vicinity of his greatness
Basic's daughter: "hey dad, can I go hang out with my church friends this weekend on a church retreat?"
basic: "WHAT?!?! No Fukkin way any daughter of mine is gonna go on some sheety church retreat where they will warp your mind and fark up your belief system. You neede to stay away from these no good POS friends of yours.
daughter: "well, I got some friends who are gonna do some drive by shootings this weekend.....can I go with them?"
basic: "hmmmm.......it's dangerous and illegal, but gosh, it sure is better than you hanging out with those bible thumpers that will mess you up for the rest of your life....."
Without evidence to the contrary, an atheist (by denying a god) has to say that everything comes from nothing. Life comes from non-life. Order comes from chaos. Natural law comes from randomness. The effects are greater than the cause. These are all things anyone rejecting a form of theism must engage.
Now, Christianity certainly has unanswered questions. Not as many as people think, but they are there. I struggle with these, not because of a lack of faith, but because I am interested in knowledge.
Ultimately it may be that everything came from nothing, life came from non-life, order from chaos, natural law from randomness, and effects are greater than their causes. But man...you sure do have to have a lot of faith to believe that to be the case! It certainly seems much more reasonable, given the evidence, that an Intelligent Designer is responsible for these things.
you know what I've learned in these arguments over the years? You can make the most perfect, most logical argument ever in the history of debating and it won't matter........people are gonna believe what they want to and you aint changing anyone's mind.
So basically you're incapable of making a rational thought about a simple concern. You'd prefer to turn into something its clearly not because you're a pointless worthless boring piece of who's only capable of looking at something in his own slanted way.
You're doing what weakminded idiotic god warriors do when they're unable to rationally approach something they stand so strongly behind.....turn it into something its not.
Never once have I suggested that I wouldn't give the retreat the benefit of the doubt. I ALREADY LET HER ING SPEND TIME WITH THESE PEOPLE. You obviously didn't read the entire thread.
Go. . Your. Self.
Order can come from chaos when there is energy powering it. As far as the idea of something coming from nothing, there is no logical time before the big bang, as any information from what we would call before it would have been destroyed by the gravity at the singularity this universe came from. Information has to have some physical manifestation, and a black hole destroys any kind of bond at the atomic level so there can be no surviving evidence of anything. Hence, the big bang is called the beginning of the universe since there is no possible way to extract any information that could have preceded it in any concept of time. It's hilarious that people want to equate believing in a 2000 year-old unchanging do ent with a field dominated by skepticism that does change when inconsistencies are found.
I need to correct myself.
This is the re ed post of the day.
The funniest part in that post is that there are thousands of reformed gang members but I've never seen a reformed god warrior.
How do you propse that "god" created life?
Is it not by making order out of chaos?
There's all sorts of novas, super novas, and explosions going on in the Universe as we speak. That is chaos. And, if we are to believe in "god", is he not the one creating, or letting these explosions happen?
And, there is absolutely no evidence of an Intelligent Designer. That's just a bunch of crap.
As for you "life from non-life" comment . . . where did this "god" come from?
The bible says that there was nothing before him. So, didn't "god" come from non-life?
Wouldn't the people who leave cults count?
All I know is that when my children were born I got down and thanked God for the beauty of life. Carry on.
When my child was born, I was glad that we evolved the way we have.
It's a testament to our species' strenght and adaptability.
I hate to say it pal but recently your posts are sounding more and more like naive Angel Luv posts. I've known you to be more well rounded than that.
I just don't understand why this has to be about your beliefs. Shouldn't this be about your daughter finding out about her own beliefs?
Yes. However if they go and fill her head with half truths and lies thats not exactly a fair level playing field.
God is real.
Trust the Chopper. I wouldn't lie to any of you.
For those of you seeking some proof...there you go.
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