KB24.com: Kobe vs Jordan

[lebomb]

So you are wrong.

...................look at what I added above.........Im not wrong.

[Allanon]

Yeah, Kobe will catch up.

Are you saying it's impossible for Kobe to surpass Jordan?

[lebomb]

You make Jordan out to be able to walk on water but then you expect him to be just "anyone".

Huh?

I said he wasnt in his prime at 35yrs old.......Im sticking to that.

Lets see if Kobe is in his prime at 35 as you say. I say they both at 28-30yrs old are their prime.

[Allanon]

...................look at what I added above.........Im not wrong.

What are you talking about? Wrong about what?

You only quoted a small portion of what I wrote.

[Allanon]

I said he wasnt in his prime at 35yrs old.......Im sticking to that.

Lets see if Kobe is in his prime at 35 as you say. I say they both at 28-30yrs old are their prime.

That's your OPINION. You like dumb athletic players over smart less athletic players, what can I say.

[lebomb]

What are you talking about? Wrong about what?

You only quoted a small portion of what I wrote.

Im taking about NBA records held. There is a small gap between Jordan and Kobe.

Later man....Im out. Ive stated my case.

[Allanon]

Im taking about NBA records held. There is a small gap between Jordan and Kobe.

Later man....Im out. Ive stated my case.

You again are comparing end-of career Jordan to current Kobe. Anybody can sse the silliness in that

Are you saying Kobe can never surpass Jordan?

[lebomb]

Are you saying Kobe can never surpass Jordan?

Yes, that is exactly what Im saying. Its not going to happen. I personally think Kobe needs to be more concerned about Lebron starting to be compared to Jordan.......he may end up with more rings than Kobe. He has a good 6yrs of age advantage as well.

Have a good one.......I will let other slam you on this issue.

[Allanon]

Yes, that is exactly what Im saying. Its not going to happen. I personally think Kobe needs to be more concerned about Lebron starting to be compared to Jordan.......he may end up with more rings than Kobe. He has a good 6yrs of age advantage as well.

Have a good one.......I will let other slam you on this issue.

Ah, now you're another prophet, you know the future.

Hey prophet, who will win the championship the next 5 years?

[dbreiden83080]

You said, if Duncan had 2 rings and David Robinson had 2 rings. You didn't say anthing about MVPs, etc. Duncan's career would not have been been so great compared to DRob's if both had ended up with 2 rings. So you are wrong.

Duncan's legacy is more set in stone because of the 4 rings he has won but at 2 rings a piece, he still would be light-years ahead of D-Rob because of everything that went along with those rings. When D-Rob retired in 2003 Duncan was seen as the better player

[dbreiden83080]

Are you saying it's impossible for Kobe to surpass Jordan?

Unless he has another 6 rings in him yes

[Allanon]

Unless he has another 6 rings in him yes

It would take 9 rings for Kobe to surpass Jordan? Wow. I disagree, but that is your opinion and fine by me. At least you leave the door open as a posibility, unlike the prophet above.

[Allanon]

Duncan's legacy is more set in stone because of the 4 rings he has won but at 2 rings a piece, he still would be light-years ahead of D-Rob because of everything that went along with those rings. When D-Rob retired in 2003 Duncan was seen as the better player

Duncan being the better player than DRob would have been debateable at 2 rings a piece. Whereas now, with 4 rings, it's a joke.

[dbreiden83080]

Duncan being the better player than DRob would have been debateable at 2 rings a piece. Whereas now, with 4 rings, it's a joke.

How is it debateable at 2 rings a piece when Duncan was the man on both those teams? Was it debateable that Pippen was there with Jordan after 2 rings? D-Rob accomplished a ton individually but his huge knock was not being able to get his team to a le and by 2003 Duncan had been League MVP and finals MVP twice.

[Allanon]

How is it debateable at 2 rings a piece when Duncan was the man on both those teams? Was it debateable that Pippen was there with Jordan after 2 rings? D-Rob accomplished a ton individually but his huge knock was not being able to get his team to a le and by 2003 Duncan had been League MVP and finals MVP twice.

It is debateable because DRob had a stellar career and an MVP of his own. The only thing Duncan had more than DRob were 2 Finals MVPs. In place of the 2 Finals MVPs, DRob had a DPOY, Rebounding le, Scoring le, etc, etc. All of those Duncan still doesn't have.

Duncan with only 2 rings means he won 2 with DRob, only later on did we find that he could do it on his own. That was what "Twin Towers" was all about, the domination by both, not just the 1 Tower but the Twin Towers.

2 ring Duncan vs 2 ring DRob would have been debateable in my opinion.

[dbreiden83080]

Duncan with only 2 rings means he won 2 with DRob, only later on did we find that he could do it on his own. That was what "Twin Towers" was all about, the domination by both, not just the 1 Tower but the Twin Towers.

Jesus, did you even watch in 2003? D-Rob played about 10 min a game while Timmy put up triple doubles and outplayed Shaq in the playoffs. Domination by both, what the holy are you talking about??

[Allanon]

Jesus, did you even watch in 2003? D-Rob played about 10 min a game while Timmy put up triple doubles and outplayed Shaq in the playoffs. Domination by both, what the holy are you talking about??

Jesus, are you even a Spur fan? DRob played 10 minutes? You think Duncan was just carrying the Spurs on his own? Of course, DRob was just a wall flower on the court instead of a defensive stopper right? DRob didn't score as much as Duncan but he was still a defensive force.

DRob was almost retired but he was still quite a bad-ass in the finals.

In his final game, DRob had 17 freakin' rebounds.

DRob earned and deserved every bit of his ring, he wasn't just the baggage you make him out to be.

Where did you get that DRob only played 10 minutes a game in the 2003 finals, are you crazy?

[dbreiden83080]

Jesus, are you even a Spur fan? DRob played 10 minutes? You think Duncan was just carrying the Spurs on his own? Of course, DRob was just a wall flower on the court instead of a defensive stopper right? DRob didn't score as much as Duncan but he was still a defensive force.

1999 D-Rob was still damn good, not in his prime but very capable by 2003, he had multiple injuries and more limited playing time. His biggest contributions were his leadership and defense. Leadership Duncan still had yet to fully command but by the end of 2003 was handling. They won the le in 2003 with D-Rob completely at the end and Tony and Manu young, raw and at times out of control. 99 you have a case about D-Rob, by 2003 you have none, he was a s of his dominant self at that point. Would have been like Kobe playing with Shaq 2 years from where he is right now.

DRob was almost retired but he was still quite a bad-ass in the finals

You mean the finals Duncan obliterated the Nets and had statistcially one of the best of all time, that finals?



"Where did you get that D-Rob only played 10 minutes a game in the 2003 finals, are you crazy"


Someone is not familiar wiith sarcasm and while we are off topic, you are still not any closer to convincing anyone that Kobe can compare with Jordan because of who he played with. Pippen is a very good player, not a legend. Shaq is a legend whom Kobe played with in his prime. You have no logical way of dismissing this fact to make Kobe look better. 3 more rings won't cut it, he needs more because of who was the main reason he got the first 3. Without Shaq he has ZERO and would have just lost to Pierce. Think about how pathetic that would be.

[Allanon]

Someone is not familiar wiith sarcasm

Nice save

and while we are off topic, you are still not any closer to convincing anyone that Kobe can compare with Jordan because of who he played with.

I never said Kobe can compare with Jordan, I've said the exact opposite, read the posts.

Pippen is a very good player, not a legend. Shaq is a legend whom Kobe played with in his prime. You have no logical way of dismissing this fact to make Kobe look better. 3 more rings won't cut it, he needs more because of who was the main reason he got the first 3. Without Shaq he has ZERO and would have just lost to Pierce. Think about how pathetic that would be.

Without Pippen (a TOP50 all-time player), Jordan, would have had ZERO rings and would have and did lose to Detroit 3 years in a row. Thank about how pathetic that would be.

[ambchang]

Without the College Awards, there is no sizeable lead on Kobe. Kobe still had 3 rings to Jordan's 2.

You seem to put a lot of weight into rings, with no regards for DPoY, ROY, All-NBA 1st teams, All-D 1st teams, MVPs, Finals MVPs, etc ...

Pippen got 6 rings and Duncan's got 4, is Pippen more accomplished than Duncan?

Kobe would not need drastic improvement, what he needs to do is start winning. Exactly the same as Jordan did at this age. I don't say he will, but he can possibly do it. I don't this it's logical for you to say it is impossible for him to do it.

Him winning would certainly help, but is it reasonable to say that Kobe can win 6 more Finals MVP starting at the age of 29? Not impossible, just not that likely. It would be difficult for him to get 4.

Yes, Pippen's rings are just as much of an accomplishment as Jordan's were.

Then I really have nothing to say. Sam Jones is more accomplished than Jordan, the guy got 8 rings! Doesn't matter that Russell and Cousy were the driving force.

When did I ever say this?

Otis Thorpe got one ring, Malone got zero. Thorpe is more accomplish than Malone. This is consistent with your previous logic of how Kobe's 3 rings is a better accomplishment of 2 rings, or how Pippen's 6 rings is the same accomplishments as Jordan's 6.

Parker has the chance to be better than Jordan because he got 3 rings to Jordan's zero at the same age of 26. Parker is more accomplished.

[ambchang]

Don't try to be stupid. Kobe has 6-8 years left to get Rings and Finals MVPs unless you think Kobe's career is over?

You expect Kobe to win Final MVPs at age 36 to 38?

[dbreiden83080]

Without Pippen (a TOP50 all-time player), Jordan, would have had ZERO rings and would have and did lose to Detroit 3 years in a row. Thank about how pathetic that would be.

Do you honestly feel Pippen is one of the 50 best players to ever play in the NBA or are you throwing that out there because he got included as part of that dumb-ass list like a decade ago? You know how many guys are more deserving to be there than him in the last decade alone?

Right off the Bat here are the top 24 all time scoring leaders


1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Karl Malone
3. Michael Jordan
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Moses Malone
6. Elvin Hayes
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Dominique Wilkins
10. John Havlicek
11. Shaquille O'Neal
12. Alex English
13. Reggie Miller
14. Jerry West
15. Patrick Ewing
16. Charles Barkley
17. Robert Parish
18. Adrian Dantley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Allen Iverson
21. Clyde Drexler
22. Gary Payton
23. Larry Bird
24. Kobe Bryant

All these players are superior to Pippen, you don't think i can find 26 more?

Off the Bat Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, Amare Stoudamire, Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash (2 league MVPS, probably does it for him), Dwight Howard (He will be) Tracy Mcgrady, Yao Ming, and that is just getting started.

[ambchang]

Don't try to be stupid. Kobe has 6-8 years left to get Rings and Finals MVPs unless you think Kobe's career is over?

I wouldn't be too sure of that.

Jordan lost to the Pistons 3 years in a row with a very good team.

Please check the rosters again, and tell me with a straight face that it was a very good team.

It really isn't that hard to look up. Please do your own work.

[dbreiden83080]

Pippen got 6 rings and Duncan's got 4, is Pippen more accomplished than Duncan?

The argument has no base because he needs to keep Kobe's 3 rings in play with Jordan's so when/if (big ass IF), Kobe hits 6 rings he can put him up there with him. You can't make it that simple, by just ignoring the cir stances surrounding the les won and the contributions of the all time players.

[Reggie Miller]

The real issue to me is who, if anyone, can ever match Oscar Robertson. When people start legitimately comparing a modern guard to the Big O, wake me up...