So I have a tough decision to make. It must be God week around here.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't agree that babies are born with no knowledge.

[BacktoBasics]

beh. fine. I read the entire thread and it was 8 pages of the same thing mixed in with some Bible burning humor. I fail to see where your opinion changed from page 1 to page 8.
Sure, you're letting her go but you still would rather handcuff her to the dining room table than let her attend the horrors of a church camp.

This is where you're all wrong and completely fail at comprehending the thread. I don't know if there are horrors at church camp or not thats why I asked. I don't have any problem with her going what so ever I was just concerned if this was the point where the church tries to take a hold of these kids. Parents are gone and kids are isolated....sounds like a prime time to push their beliefs.

If its just a normal fun church social outing then I'm fine becaue I've been fine with this church in the past but if its going to be all kinds of fire and death to non believers then no thank you.

This is why I asked because I haven't done church retreats. You turned this thread into me being a bigot to all church and god worshippers and I'm only a bigot to the extremists.

[I Love Me Some Me]

This is where you're all wrong and completely fail at comprehending the thread. I don't know if there are horrors at church camp or not thats why I asked. I don't have any problem with her going what so ever I was just concerned if this was the point where the church tries to take a hold of these kids. Parents are gone and kids are isolated....sounds like a prime time to push their beliefs.

If its just a normal fun church social outing then I'm fine becaue I've been fine with this church in the past but if its going to be all kinds of fire and death to non believers then no thank you.

This is why I asked because I haven't done church retreats. You turned this thread into me being a bigot to all church and god worshippers and I'm only a bigot to the extremists.

To answer you original concern with this thread...the things you see and hear about in movies like Jesus Camp, and other anecdotes about crazy Christian camps are not the norm. In fact, any Christian church that makes the news for any reason is usually not the norm.

Your daughter will have fun, and will socialize with decent kids. She will be preached to, and she will probably be invited to "get saved." She will not be pressured to do so, if the people doing it are doing it right. If this were some kooky church, you seem intuitive enough to have picked up on that already, and you seem to be enough of an influence on your kids that she would have probably picked up on it also, and wouldn't want to go anyway.

[mrsmaalox]

I don't agree that babies are born with no knowledge.

I don't know....conscience for sure and instinct, but actual knowledge?

[BacktoBasics]

To answer you original concern with this thread...the things you see and hear about in movies like Jesus Camp, and other anecdotes about crazy Christian camps are not the norm. In fact, any Christian church that makes the news for any reason is usually not the norm.

Your daughter will have fun, and will socialize with decent kids. She will be preached to, and she will probably be invited to "get saved." She will not be pressured to do so, if the people doing it are doing it right. If this were some kooky church, you seem intuitive enough to have picked up on that already, and you seem to be enough of an influence on your kids that she would have probably picked up on it also, and wouldn't want to go anyway.

If thats true I will talk to her about "getting saved".

[peewee's lovechild]

Tabula Rasa...clean slate, or blank slate. Babies are born with no knowledge.

But this is a theory that has no evidence to support it, and no means by which to prove it's legitimacy. BUT....people believe it, and are not ridiculed for doing so.

Aaaaaand?

[peewee's lovechild]

I don't agree that babies are born with no knowledge.

They are born with instinct.

What kind of knowledge do you think they are born with?

[I Love Me Some Me]

If thats true I will talk to her about "getting saved".

Absolutely you should.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Aaaaaand?

http://andthen.ytmnd.com/

[peewee's lovechild]

If thats true I will talk to her about "getting saved".

They will hit her with that, and many times they will be pressured into getting "saved".

I have first hand experience with this.

They're quite subtle at this.

But, they'll come at an angle like "don't you love all that god has given you" . . . "don't you want to thank him for everything in your life" . . . "do you know what happens to you if you don't get saved ( )?" . . .

Stuff like that.
And, they'll say it with a nice, warm, gentle smile on thier face.

Those young kids who have been saved will be urging her and all that.

Of course, this particular camp might not function that way. But, I've been to a few and it pretty much goes that way.

[BacktoBasics]

http://andthen.ytmnd.com/

[peewee's lovechild]

http://andthen.ytmnd.com/

Yea.

[BacktoBasics]

They are born with instinct.

What kind of knowledge do you think they are born with?

I think some will argue that instinct is knowledge. I think they're born with no knowledge though.

[JoeChalupa]

They are born with instinct.

What kind of knowledge do you think they are born with?

Baby knowledge. And to me instinct IS knowledge but it doesn't really matter because what I believe you don't so and that is fine. I respect that for I have no proof and neither do you but you do believe it to be true. No?

[Blake]

This is why I asked because I haven't done church retreats. You turned this thread into me being a bigot to all church and god worshippers and I'm only a bigot to the extremists.

huh?

I really don't know why you are asking anyone anything around here about this camp. Last I checked, pretty much all camps are different in some form or another, but to answer your original question from page 1 which still appears to not have been answered:

"yes, the church goers will spend the time explaining their beliefs to your kid"

To what extent? Who the around here is gonna know that? As long as they don't ask her to bring two dozen boxes of sleeping pills and some white Nikes in order to catch the next spaceship that flies by, I think she'll be just fine.

But since you obviously still don't get it, what you need to do is find a kid that's been to one of these things, pull him/her aside and drill them about what goes on at the camp and how hard they get hit over the head with the Bible.

[mrsmaalox]

They will hit her with that, and many times they will be pressured into getting "saved".

I have first hand experience with this.

They're quite subtle at this.

But, they'll come at an angle like "don't you love all that god has given you" . . . "don't you want to thank him for everything in your life" . . . "do you know what happens to you if you don't get saved ( )?" . . .

Stuff like that.
And, they'll say it with a nice, warm, gentle smile on thier face.

Those young kids who have been saved will be urging her and all that.

Of course, this particular camp might not function that way. But, I've been to a few and it pretty much goes that way.

See that's why I asked if he knows the kids she's going with. Those kids have been raised in that church and she's already gone to some functions with them. I think if they were the extreme type, they would have tried to influnce her already. Just ask her.

[BacktoBasics]

huh?

I really don't know why you are asking anyone anything around here about this camp. Last I checked, pretty much all camps are different in some form or another, but to answer your original question from page 1 which still appears to not have been answered:

"yes, the church goers will spend the time explaining their beliefs to your kid"

To what extent? Who the around here is gonna know that? As long as they don't ask her to bring two dozen boxes of sleeping pills and some white Nikes in order to catch the next spaceship that flies by, I think she'll be just fine.

But since you obviously still don't get it, what you need to do is find a kid that's been to one of these things, pull him/her aside and drill them about what goes on at the camp and how hard they get hit over the head with the Bible.

So you're recommending that I kidnap a child for questioning?

[marini martini]

B2B, I hope this settles your fears. My youngest daughter went to an excellent Christian Sports camp,when she was 15 & 16. There were many "inner city" youth that had never experienced the out doors before. They claimed my daughter as "their favorite little white girl", because she knew all the words to the rap music. At any rate, she did answer the alter call, and turned her life over to God.

Fast forward to now......She smokes, drinks, cusses, loves metal, has been pierced, and tatted, and has a baby out of wedlock. She's also going to school while working, not taking a penny from the govt., and is a really a pretty well rounded young person. So just know your daughter, will choose her own path, no matter what you do or say. Just don't try to keep her from having fun, as long as it doesn't hurt her or any one else.

Prozac & prayer, works for me

[JoeChalupa]

B2B, I hope this settles your fears. My youngest daughter went to an excellent Christian Sports camp,when she was 15 & 16. There were many "inner city" youth that had never experienced the out doors before. They claimed my daughter as "their favorite little white girl", because she knew all the words to the rap music. At any rate, she did answer the alter call, and turned her life over to God.

Fast forward to now......She smokes, drinks, cusses, loves metal, has been pierced, and tatted, and has a baby out of wedlock. She's also going to school while working, not taking a penny from the govt., and is a really a pretty well rounded young person. So just know your daughter, will choose her own path, no matter what you do or say. Just don't try to keep her from having fun, as long as it doesn't hurt her or any one else.

Prozac & prayer, works for me

Great post. Kids WILL choose their own path but I do believe, there's that believe word again, that parents have a huge influence on them. I know mine did.

Although there is nothing wrong with getting govt help to go to college but that is a topic for the political forum.

[Blake]

So you're recommending that I kidnap a child for questioning?

think of it as homeland security

[ashbeeigh]

marini's daughter and I have very cool non fire and brimstone Christian mutual friends as well, B2B.

[Bigzax]

She smokes, drinks, cusses, loves metal, has been pierced, and tatted, and has a baby out of wedlock.

my kinda sancha! PM me the pix, k thx!

[marini martini]

marini's daughter and I have very cool non fire and brimstone Christian mutual friends as well, B2B.

Yep, and she still loves the Lord, and I'm learning to trust He will keep her & my grandson safe, more & more everyday!

my kinda sancha! PM me the pix, k thx!

She quit drinking & smoking when she got pg., and has remained clean since. So nay nay putay!!! No pm pix fo yo, fo sho!!!

[peewee's lovechild]

If instinct is knowledge, then most members of the animal kingdom have knowledge as well.