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    I have a question about this military experience issue. So guys in the military are told what to do and they do it. They get out and make excellent managers...okay. But when it comes to the Commander in Chief, isn't that looking at the military in the broadest sense of the term? From funding to the diplomatic fallout to the PR involved in selling it to the world, and including the overall strategy of the conflict? I don't see how a blanket term like "military experience" can apply here. That's like saying a PFC in for about 2 1/2 years is qualified.

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    I have a question about this military experience issue. So guys in the military are told what to do and they do it. They get out and make excellent managers...okay. But when it comes to the Commander in Chief, isn't that looking at the military in the broadest sense of the term? From funding to the diplomatic fallout to the PR involved in selling it to the world, and including the overall strategy of the conflict? I don't see how a blanket term like "military experience" can apply here. That's like saying a PFC in for about 2 1/2 years is qualified.
    I think that's the point most were trying to make. Its a component of many good leaders but just having military experience doesn't make a good leader.

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    I only have 2 rules when it comes to hiring people based on collegiate experience -- never trust anyone with a degree from Columbia and never trust anyone who attended more than one college in Idaho.

    Can't say that they're very principled rules, but those are my rules.

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    I only have 2 rules when it comes to hiring people based on collegiate experience -- never trust anyone with a degree from Columbia and never trust anyone who attended more than one college in Idaho.

    Can't say that they're very principled rules, but those are my rules.
    Those are good rules. In addition I don't trust anyone that is left handed or that thinks that it's ok to wear a t-shirt with dress pants.

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    I'd just be happy with a president...and vice president...that don't embarrass the crap outta me. Anyone remember Dan Quayle?

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    We may not always be in the middle of a war, but we are right now.

    Are you telling me that relevant military experience is inconsequential to what kind of a leader someone is after their military career is over?

    I'm sure a lot of veterans are interested in your answer...
    Yes, just because someone spent time in the military doesn't mean they will make good decisions regarding the military. The president has military advisors anyways so he really doesn't make any decisions anyways without other input.

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    This thread is stupid.

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    This thread is stupid.
    So you posted in it because?....

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    No, that he wouldn't hire Obama. But I've been known to be wrong many times. Oh well, you are Mr.Knowitall.

    Nice.

    No, I misunderstood what you said. My apologies.

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    I only have 2 rules when it comes to hiring people based on collegiate experience -- never trust anyone with a degree from Columbia and never trust anyone who attended more than one college in Idaho.

    Can't say that they're very principled rules, but those are my rules.
    I don't like ing Colombians! Okay?

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    I am a boss.

    It would piss me off that Obama, an applicant with relatively NO experience, TOLD me he got great grades, but wouldn't produce a transcript.

    That said, I've never asked for a transcript from a job applicant. I could care less what kind of grades they have. I look at their job history, their accomplishments on the job, and I try to judge their character through a series of interviews (almost impossible - I've hired a couple of people who were great interviewees, but no so good employees; unless, of course I'm hiring a sales person; then the interview is about the only thing that matters - if they can sell themself, they can sell just about anything.

    There is almost NO way, in my company, that two people, with such vastly different resumes, would be considered for the same position. McCain would be interviewing for CEO/Obama for a VP, or manager's spot - not gonna give keys to MY company to someone who is not proven AT ALL. Too risky.

    BTW; Ex-military generally make fantastic employees.
    I'm a boss too, and have been a landlord, and what I've learned over the years is that it's nearly impossible to judge a person's true character on an interview, or even a series of interviews. People that I was sure would be fine, detail oriented professionals turned out to be irritating nitpickers, and others who I only accepted practically out of desperation have turned out to be absolute gems... it's a strange world out there, and I'm constantly humbled by how long a time period is usually required to truly see someone's real character. A good analogy would be scouting in basketball-- even the experts are routinely surprised and often wrong, year after year.

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