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I hear excuses.
These guys will get their chance in the next list. Until then, Pippen's on it and I have to say I think he does deserve to be on it. I don't think Pippen got enough credit from fans for his role in the 6 championships.
I hear excuses.
You should have your ears checked.
What if there is no next list? That is really the point i am making here. Is Pippen right now today, a clear cut top 50 player of all time?? I really don't feel he is. At the very least it is a good debate. Times change, there are players that made that list that don't belong there anymore, which is why it was a silly idea to begin with.
If you want to say Pippen back then was deserving okay fine we agree but still today, ehhhh i am not so sure. Like i said it is a good debate. What's not debateable is Shaq is likely top 10 on everyone's list.
Lebron James Kobe Bryant
Larry Hughes Smush Parker
Zydrunas Ilgauskas Lamar Odom
Drew Gooden Luke Walton
Sasha Pavlovic Maurice Evans
Donyell Marshall Andrew Bynum
Anderson Varejao Brian Cook
Damon Jones Ronnie Turiaf
Eric Snow Vladimir Radmonovic
Daniel Gibson Kwame Brown
David Wesley Jordan Farmar
Shannon Brown Sasha Vujacic
Ira Newble Shammond Williams
Scott Pollard Aaron McKie
Dwayne Jones
Those are the two rosters from the same year
I thought you were a facts guy. This is all opinion. In my opinion Kobe's team was just as good as Lebron's. The only fact remains that Lebron got to the finals with a comparable team.
I was asked for my opinion, so I gave it.
As for comparing the teams, just looking at the Starters:
Eric Snow >>> Smush Parker
David Wesley? <<<<< Kobe
LeBron >>>>>> Luke
Donyell Marshall <<<< Odom
Big Z >>>>>>> Kwame
Off the bench, Farmar, Sasha, Ronny were all trash back then.
point is that they are not that different with regards to talent. Lets look at it this way: who is better Kobe or Lebron?
The teams were ALOT different in talent in my opinion. The Lakers were a d-league team outside of Kobe & Odom.
I think Kobe is still better than LeBron.
Did Smush play that year? Because Snow was on the bench for the finals.
Yes, Smush was the starting point guard. I don't know who the Cavs backup point guard was during the Finals but I'm sure he was better than Smush. , practically all the NBA point guards are better than Smush.
Ok, so who is better Odom or Big Z?
Back then, Big Z was better than Odom. I believe that was the year Odom's kid passed away and it showed in his play.
Really, you are being honest. I think that in no point in time was Big Z better than Odom.
Dinner time, I'll check back in a couple of hours and respond then.
Parker has a finals MVP. One more than Kobe has, to be exact. As nice as a regular season MVP award is, I think the finals MVP is more important than the regular season MVP. Parker also has four years to get a regular season MVP, which like I said, is a of a lot more likely than it is for Kobe to win three or more championships.
All of your hair splitting can't change the fact that Jordan had three at the age Kobe is now and had never lost in the finals.
Big Z post foot surgery <<<<< Odom.
No come on. Think about the 2003 Spurs. Duncan had a brillaint year and earned that season MVP. So what if someone else had gotten finals MVP that year on the Spurs, his reg season MVP still means more. Lets be fair that is an 82 game honor.
Actually, I was just paraphrasing when he said that Jordan's two finals MVP awards by the nanosecond he turned 30 can't compare to a Kobe's three rings he won on Shaq's back, but then says that a Parker who won three rings and a finals MVP four years earlier than Kobe did can't compare because he doesn't have an MVP.
To say that Kobe won ring's on Shaq's back is a horrible representation of the truth.Actually, I was just paraphrasing when he said that Jordan's two finals MVP awards by the nanosecond he turned 30 can't compare to a Kobe's three rings he won on Shaq's back, but then says that a Parker who won three rings and a finals MVP four years earlier than Kobe did can't compare because he doesn't have an MVP.
Kobe was just as much responsible for those 3 rings as Shaq. As a Spurs fan you of all people should know this.
It's obvious you have a bias and hatred towards Bryant. It shows clearly in your posts.
That year the Cavs started PG Larry Hughes SG Sasha Pavlovic SF LeBron James (4th year) PF Drew Gooden C Big Z
Off bench were Boobie (R), AV, Donyell, DJ or Snow
Finals MVP means you were great for 4-7 games. Regular Season MVP means you were great for a whole season, much harder to do.
Nope, Jordan had 2. If you count 3, that goes beyond June of this year which is in the future. Weak.All of your hair splitting can't change the fact that Jordan had three at the age Kobe is now and had never lost in the finals.
Shaq didn't hit the game winning shots for the most part due to Hack-a-Shaq. Shaq was a liability in the 4th quarter. Not to say Shaq didn't do a great job, but the Lakers would not won as much without Kobe's clutch performances. As a result, Shaq sat out quite a few of the last minutes of close 4th quarters.
As recent as a couple of months ago, Popovich showed that Shaq was a liability in the 4th quarter due to hack-a-Shaq, you should know that.
Finals MVP is 4-7 games of greatness. MVP is for a full season which is much more difficult.but then says that a Parker who won three rings and a finals MVP four years earlier than Kobe did can't compare because he doesn't have an MVP.
If it is "much" more difficult, than why does Kobe have an MVP and not a finals MVP?
Robin when he wins finals. Batman when he loses finals.
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