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and Toliver wasnt even in the stadium
So the decision is definitely made then.
Surely they won't waste anymore money going back to think about it some more would they? Would they say who tonight?
and Toliver wasnt even in the stadium
We'll just have to wait and see. I'm one of the few holding out hope that Tolliver actually is the final cut, but I've watched Pop make what I think are bad decisions before, and I've long since given up expecting that he sees what I see.
Maybe he's getting his stuff to move to San Antonio? Either that or he's gone.
I agree. It would be sweet to see both Hariston and Farmer to make it. When are the final cuts going to be announced?
He's probably meeting with the realtor.
He's gonna get a deal in this market!
FOURTH QUARTER
Miami's Mario Chalmers hit a 3-pointer at the buzzer to give the Heat a 96-93 victory over the Spurs on Friday in their final preseason game.
Roger Mason scored eight points in the fourth quarter and nearly sparked a come-from-behind victory by the Spurs. His driving basket with 10.5 seconds left in regulation tied it 93-93. Mason hit his second 3-pointer of the fourth quarter with 24.7 seconds left in the game to cut the Heat's lead to one point.
Mason hit a 3-pointer early in the fourth quarter. Matt Bonner's second basket of the period put the Spurs in front 75-74 for their first lead since the first two minutes of the game.
The Spurs opened the fourth quarter with Jacque Vaughn, Desmon Farmer, Mason, Bonner and Fabricio Oberto.
Tim Duncan and Tony Parker sat out the fourth quarter. Parker had 16 points (12 in the third quarter) and six assists. Duncan had 11 points and four rebounds. The Heat's Dwyane Wade did not play.
George Hill, Anthony Tolliver and Malik Hairston did not see action for the Spurs. Hill had been sidelined with a sprained thumb.
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...s_vs_heat.html
I think it was made before the game and farmer's the only one that made it, spurs like to have an extra roster spot for someone later on.
Has Chalmers been playing good throughout pre-season. I know he played well during the summer league but dang.... he is a great athlete and super clutch.
His stats are about the same as Hill's are, but he's played four more games IINM.
I know as fans we all like to have these speculative discussions, but for many of your uninformed opinions Tolliver was not at the game due to a family emergency. He made the final cut. WAHOOOOOOO!!
Apparently it had none. As soon as Bonner starts screwing up, Pop's going to shoehorn Tolliver into games where he's going to be encouraged to throw up shots every time he touches the ball. I hope to God they start going in again. Apparently he's a Spur now.
As for Farmer, I don't know why they didn't just cut him with Green and Watkins. Seems like it's going to be all that much harder for him to catch on with someone else, unless Pop wanted to give Farmer the extra few thousand dollars he earned by lasting this long as a thank you for almost making the team.
you know, as much as I want him gone, Bonner has had a very nice preseason. if he can carry that over to the regular season, then he may win me over again.
i think he has suffered from being in Pop's doghouse too much. In fact, I can only think of 3 players who never spent time in Pop's Casa de Perro.....Robinson, Elliott, and Duncan. I am also certain that Manu, Parker, and Bowen have probably taken Pop to the brink of a marine drill sargeant tirade, but remained free of the doghouse. However, every other player who has played under Pop, I am sure has lived in his doghouse at one time or another. For some, once they crawled in, they basically took up residence (Malik, Beno, Elson, Bonner)......If Bonner can get some consistent minutes, maybe just maybe, he can give us some decent numbers from the F/C position.
I still say cut Vaughn and keep Hairston and Farmer.
I think you're right about Tolliver being a Spur now. What's frustrating is that he seems so damned redundant with Bonner: long-ball shooting, un-athletic streak shooter. Every team needs a guy who makes the hustle- (Tolliver) but what's the point if you don't have points on the board (Farmer).
From the sounds of it, it seems like there was/possibly still is an on-going discussion of Hairston v. Farmer. I think that the debate is whether we go all-in on scoring now (Farmer) vs. a long-term project (Hairston). That's why, I think, Farmer didn't get cut with Green, Watkins, et. al. But, given who got playing time today, it appears highly likely Farmer's going to get his pink slip soon.
Although, when Salim got nixed, we found out that night. Nothing's been said about Farmer, so maybe the decision hasn't been made yet.
I see Hairston didn't see any action. I wonder if that means he's gone.
Hairston was a draft pick, and he fits a need. No way he gets cut. He steps right in and is one of the best individual defenders on this team. That's the one characteristic of the players that are left that isn't a question mark. Hairston can play defense in the NBA, and he can play big guys. That makes him invaluable. Unless Pop is worried that Hairston's going to bloat up as soon as he makes the team, his job should have been as safe as Tollivers seems to have been all along.
If Tolliver was indeed a lock, then Farmer's only prayer was if he did something earth shattering against Miami, and even then he'd probably have gotten cut. The only reason I thought Farmer had a chance is because I can't grasp how Tolliver got elevated from surprise camp invitee to rotation player based upon what he did in preseason and Farmer didn't get a sniff.
What are you some kind of Tolliver jock rider?I know as fans we all like to have these speculative discussions, but for many of your uninformed opinions Tolliver was not at the game due to a family emergency. He made the final cut. WAHOOOOOOO!!
The guy stunk it up in preseason. If he shot like this is summer league he may not have even made it to training camp.
You mean what Tolliver did in summer league? Because Tolliver sure didn't show me much in preseason to get a spot on the team over Farmer and Hairston.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I can't grasp how Tolliver did anything to secure his position on the team based upon what he did in camp. Perhaps you are correct and the shooting in summer league has been enough for Pop to ignore that Tolliver never shot nearly that well before or since.
When he was invited to camp based upon that scorching SL performance, we were all surprised and happy for him to have gotten an opportunity. He has done little with that opportunity to have somehow transformed into a stone cold lock to make the team. He's done something to make Pop fall in love with him, and I suspect that what he's done is to remind Pop of Robert Horry. I think I'd rather have Hairston and Farmer and try to get the real Horry back later if a roster spot opens up.
And in case you're wondering: Yes, I'm well aware that I'm WAY too invested in something that will most likely be inconsequential to how the Spurs do this year, but the season's approaching, and the adrenaline is starting to flow.
I was very pleased to see Beno traded last offseason. This season I'm not really happy that Tolliver made it with WORSE performances than some of Beno's worst.
I just don't get it. You're also right I remember being surprised when Tolliver got that contact after SL. I didn't even think he was that great in SL either.
All I can say is wtf!
Last edited by Ice009; 10-25-2008 at 02:48 AM.
I also gotta say if Pop is looking for players to be other players then it may never happen. Robery Horry is Robert Horry you may never find another one.
Just because Scola didn't have a Robery Horry like game didn't mean he wasn't any good. Instead of grabbing another Robert Horry it looks like he's grabbed another Bonner.
Boy... its gonna be a long season, spurs look discombobulated as . Poor drafts / personnel decisions by spurs' management are really starting to catch up with em and its getting impossible to plug / hide all the holes in this team. The way it looks now, the spurs will be a .500 club and miss the playoffs.
I can't help but say it again.... spurs should have drafted Chalmers instead of Hill
And... if Popovich chooses to unload Farmer for Tolliver, I think that decision is also gonna bite em in the ass. Farmer is a keeper.
I think the spurs have two glaring needs right now .. a decent starting quality center / pf to go with Duncan preferably a center and prefereably younger. Where is Mahinmi, and why wasn't he brought on board? And Gist? I think both of these guys should have been given a chance to show their stuff in preseason.
Other glaring need is a guard / forward who can create off the dribble. Hairston and Hill are too young, Mason, Bowen, Finley all spot up shooters only. The strategy of stacking all shooters around Duncan might have worked once but its not enough in today's NBA. Spurs should have went after Kelenna Azubuike with their lump of money this off season, not Roger Mason.
If I were running the team, I'd be looking at packaging some combination of Mason, Bonner, KT, Oberto, Finley, Bowen for a decent big man who can help Duncan. As it stands right now, Duncan is going to have to carry alot of the load, with little help.
Last edited by TJastal; 10-25-2008 at 04:49 AM.
One the first major problems with your trade scenario is Bowen, Finley, KT and Oberto all have little to know trade value.Boy... its gonna be a long season, spurs look discombobulated as . Poor drafts / personnel decisions by spurs' management are really starting to catch up with em and its getting impossible to plug / hide all the holes in this team. The way it looks now, the spurs will be a .500 club and miss the playoffs.
I can't help but say it again.... spurs should have drafted Chalmers instead of Hill
And... if Popovich chooses to unload Farmer for Tolliver, I think that decision is also gonna bite em in the ass. Farmer is a keeper.
I think the spurs have two glaring needs right now .. a decent starting quality center / pf to go with Duncan preferably a center and prefereably younger. Where is Mahinmi, and why wasn't he brought on board? And Gist? I think both of these guys should have been given a chance to show their stuff in preseason.
Other glaring need is a guard / forward who can create off the dribble. Hairston and Hill are too young, Mason, Bowen, Finley all spot up shooters only. The strategy of stacking all shooters around Duncan might have worked once but its not enough in today's NBA. Spurs should have went after Kelenna Azubuike with their lump of money this off season, not Roger Mason.
If I were running the team, I'd be looking at packaging some combination of Mason, Bonner, KT, Oberto, Finley, Bowen for a decent big man who can help Duncan. As it stands right now, Duncan is going to have to carry alot of the load, with little help.
However, I do share your concern regarding the lack of frontline depth and a solid running mate for Tim. It is a legitimate concern, too. There just isn't another shotblocking, rebounding, rim-protecting-type presence on this team. A point I've been harping on all offseason.
Darryl Watkins was raw, but at least he showed a penchant for some of those skills. I wish there had been room for the Spurs to develop him. I hope to see him again in Spurs camp next season.
I wince everytime I see highlights of Tyson Chandler, Greg Oden, Andrew Bynum and other Western Conference bigs. Because I remember how it looked last year with Tim going up against many of these guys - almost single-handedly.
I don't know how you guys equate Tolliver missing the game due to a family emergency to being a lock for the Spurs roster. Even if they wanted to see more of him in this final game they couldn't because a family emergency is a family emergency. If they already had their minds made up I don't think Tolliver not playing had anything to do with it.
But unfortunately I do believe Tolliver and Hairston are in and Farmer is out. In my opinion he is just a victim of cir stances. Regardless if Tolliver didn't have quite as an impressive preseason as Farmer he still fills our needs better. He's a big that can help spread the floor with his shooting and also gives Duncan all the space he needs to go to the bucket. Hairston is in because he has shown he can play NBA level defense and is a more rounded player then Farmer. You know the Spurs love players who can play "D". Defense wins championships. Not only that but the fact that the Spurs have a vested interest in him working out since he was aquired through draft trades and such makes him more of a shoe in.
So the only way Farmer could be put on the roster would be along side taking Hairston which wouldn't make any sense because the "2" position is ted enough as it is. Having Manu, Mason, Hairston, Farmer(and not to mention even Hill could play some "2") would be an overkill on smaller shooters. Its a shame though cause Farmer is really deserving of a spot and his pure shooting would be of some value to the Spurs.
Correct me if i'm wrong but if we didn't put Hairston on our roster would he be free to sign with anyone or would we have his rights still or something?
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