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[Shastafarian]

MaryAnnKilledGinger is the seriously becoming my favorite poster. This is hilarious.

[MannyIsGod]

Hold a candidate accountable? You act like I'm asking for the guy to be fired or for people to decide to vote for McCain on the subject. I love how you keep bringing up mind reading powers as though you're not posting statements from which I extrapolate your emotion (while ignoring where I pointed out that you're attributing stances to me that I never took). If I was wrong about that then its fine. You see how easy that is? Much easier than the continuous spin job you're buried within. I mean first you start off equating snacks with this attack and now you've gone so far as to equate me with Palin.

The bottom line is I believe he did what he did with a political goal in mind because thats what campaign officials who speak with the media on a regular basis do. Since you made such a big deal about my statement before, I'll say thats what they do with a story of this magnitude. How is this even debateable?

The curx of the disagreement is on how you percieve his actions. You believe he was simply pasing on information with no other motives in mind or you at least beleive thats a possibility. I don't. Given a story of this magnitude (last time I checked no candidate had to worry about a backlash from the M&M camp if he gave his volunteers Snickers but I digress) he had to know what he was doing. I suppose he could have not known to expect this type of backlash should a flimisy story blow up in his face, but if I find that to be extremely outlikely considering the state he's in charge of is now the centerpiece of the McCain campaign.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This "chick" is posting in the exact same style as CF did when she was a young up and comer. Always mentioning panties, using metaphors for her nipples, etc, its so blatant its not even funny. CF this has to be your best friend or your arch enemy.

[Findog]

This "chick" is posting in the exact same style as CF did when she was a young up and comer. Always mentioning panties, using metaphors for her nipples, etc, its so blatant its not even funny. CF this has to be your best friend or your arch enemy.

MAKG is a new poster thanks to the Sullivan link.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

Hold a candidate accountable? You act like I'm asking for the guy to be fired or for people to decide to vote for McCain on the subject.

No. I don't put words in your mouth. You are the one who keeps saying McCain deserves something negative because of this event. Case in point:

They would have stood to benefit from it which is why the blogosphere is on fire with the news that people in the Mccain campaign were pushing the story. That means they also deserve any negative reaction from it.

I love how you keep bringing up mind reading powers as though you're not posting statements from which I extrapolate your emotion

I promise you. I haven't been angry at any stage of this exchange. I take no joy in this event, but I've found my exchanges with you increasingly amusing. But I'm sure that my statements of my actual state of mind are meaningless in the face of your powers of extrapolation.

(while ignoring where I pointed out that you're attributing stances to me that I never took).

Please show me where I did this.

I mean first you start off equating snacks with this attack and now you've gone so far as to equate me with Palin.

You understand that the posts previous to this one are still available and you restating them doesn't change it, right? I mentioned the snacks becuase you made a blanket statement that communications directors never release information without a goal or slant. I equated that to nothing, merely gave an example that showed your blanket statement to be false.

As for equating you to Palin. You made a statement that equated your opinion to be the same as reality. Palin does the same thing. I didn't photoshop your avatar onto a Tina Fey pin-up.

The bottom line is I believe he did what he did with a political goal in mind because thats what campaign officials who speak with the media on a regular basis do. Since you made such a big deal about my statement before, I'll say thats what they do with a story of this magnitude. How is this even debateable?

What you believe and what the facts aren't the same thing. This entire round-and-round is based largely on the fact that you can't stop debating that single issue. To a lesser extent, it's based on the fact that it makes me giggle that you can read the minds of the world's communication directors.

The curx of the disagreement is on how you percieve his actions. You believe he was simply pasing on information with no other motives in mind or you at least beleive thats a possibility. I don't.

You have no idea what I believe about his actions. The crux of this disagreement is that I asked if anyone had proof or statements to indicate wrongdoing and you came at me with interpretation, mind-reading, and assumption.

Given a story of this magnitude (last time I checked no candidate had to worry about a backlash from the M&M camp if he gave his volunteers Snickers but I digress)

Google President Bush I and broccoli and see if there was any backlash from farmers. Backlash comes in all shapes and sizes.

he had to know what he was doing. I suppose he could have not known to expect this type of backlash should a flimisy story blow up in his face, but if I find that to be extremely outlikely considering the state he's in charge of is now the centerpiece of the McCain campaign.

I can't figure out your logic. You think he's dumb enough to behave impulsively and irresponsibly regarding this story, but he's saavy and slick enough to have earned the job he's in?

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

This "chick" is posting in the exact same style as CF did when she was a young up and comer. Always mentioning panties, using metaphors for her nipples, etc, its so blatant its not even funny. CF this has to be your best friend or your arch enemy.

I was so prepared to like you just on the basis of your being a Venture Bros fan.

And the panties was relevant to the Superman conversation. Just think how cool Manny would have seemed if he'd said "pink."

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I was so prepared to like you just on the basis of your being a Venture Bros fan.

And the panties was relevant to the Superman conversation. Just think how cool Manny would have seemed if he'd said "pink."

I'm not scoffing you, just stating the situation as I see it.

This thread is out of steam. Please give us a backwards B in reward for calling this fat unattractive aggy's BS and let us close it and store it in the classics.

[MannyIsGod]

I do have an idea what you believe about his actions in that I know you obviously leave open the possibility that he was acting without political motive. If you didn't you wouldn't need proof that he was. You don't need to be a mind reader to figure this out no matter how often you want to make that assertion.

This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness where you can't even respond to my posts coherently because you're too busy taking each individual statement out of context.

I was pointing out that I don't believe the director is stupid. I figured the ridiculousness of the statement would make that apparent but the only thing that is becoming more apparent is that subtleties are wasted upon you because the only things in my posts you grasp are those that are explicitly spelled out.

The bottom line is this: Given the way political campaigns are run when incidents of this magnitude come up the statements made by members of political campaign in this persons position are made with political intentions. Yes, that's a blanket statment and yes there will be rare exceptions. Is this case an exception? Given the context of the way McCain's campaign has been run I'm not even going to allow for that as a possibility.

But hey, when you find that proof you're striving for feel free to give it to me on a plate next to some crow. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

I find it interesting that each time I've asked you to give an example of an accusation you've made against me that you change the subject and launch into a restatement of your argument or bring up new things entirely.

I'm content to let my posts stand on their own in regards to my intentions,context, coherence, and thoroughness in addressing your statements. You are either unable or unwilling to grasp the finer points I'm trying to make, and I don't have any desire for this exchange to foster any lasting negative feelings in you.

The reason I'd like to see proof has nothing to do with what I think the guy's intentions are, but everything to do with trying to gauge the potential impact this will have. Right now, the Mc/P camp is going to get some negative poking for the facts we have. But if the communications director of a battleground state has to resign in shame because there's evidence that he misdirected the dialog of a story like this - that amplifies things significantly. I don't care about his mindset. I only care about what can be proven against him legitimately and without stooping to antics.

I also don't like to see PR people take the fall when things aren't their fault and this thing is rife with the need for scapegoats.

Leaving open the possibility in the name of objectivity and leaving open the possibility in the realm of my personal feelings are entirely different. So your claim that you have an idea of what I believe is wrong.

As for the crow, you'll find that people who don't claim to read the minds of others and who don't make blanket statements rarely have to dine upon it. But then, neither do those who cannot admit they're mistaken or who believe their opinions are facts.

I'd end on something light and witty, but I'm afraid my references have already dated me too much.

[CuckingFunt]

This "chick" is posting in the exact same style as CF did when she was a young up and comer. Always mentioning panties, using metaphors for her nipples, etc, its so blatant its not even funny. CF this has to be your best friend or your arch enemy.

I was all innuendo when I first got here, though. The substance didn't come for a few months.

I was so prepared to like you just on the basis of your being a Venture Bros fan.

Being compared to me should never be seen as an insult.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

Being compared to me should never be seen as an insult.

I was far from insulted I was defending your honor, wench.

[ElNono]

You guys still arguing? Please, last one to leave turn off the lights...

[Centaur of the Sun]

Much like all those people yelling nasty things things at McCain rally's, I think this was obviously a sleeper Obama supporter hoping to bring ridicule to McCain supporters.

[Nbadan]

Much like all those people yelling nasty things things at McCain rally's, I think this was obviously a sleeper Obama supporter hoping to bring ridicule to McCain supporters.

Errrrrrrrrr............

[TheMadHatter]

Does anyone else agree that page long line by line rebuttals are ing annoying as ?

[peewee's lovechild]

Why in the are you idiots saying I got owned? I sat there and said I hadn't read that much about it in the quote you guys keep copying...


I said based on the other actions of Obama supporters in this campaign it sounds real enough to me...


I listed the examples...plus there are plenty on this forum. Including this thread.


Guess what? It still sounds like something an Obama supporter would do...that hasn't changed.


And the way you guys attacked this woman. judged, witchunted and ridiculed the instant your saviour was questioned says much more about you guys than it does me...I don't give a who you think you've owned.




That said...what a dumb ing ....but I didn't get owned...no matter how much you guys might wish that was true.

What???

[ElNono]

Does anyone else agree that page long line by line rebuttals are ing annoying as ?

Not really...

[Centaur of the Sun]

Errrrrrrrrr............

Sarcasm.

[CuckingFunt]

Does anyone else agree that page long line by line rebuttals are ing annoying as ?

Nope.

Well... not as a practice. The content can be annoying, but that's judged on a post-by-post basis.

[ChumpDumper]

I was so prepared to like you just on the basis of your being a Venture Bros fan.

I can't decide whether whottt's posts are more fun if you act like they are being read by Byron Orpheus or the Monarch.

[MaryAnnKilledGinger]

I can't decide whether whottt's posts are more fun if you act like they are being read by Byron Orpheus or the Monarch.

You just HAD to put that in my head.

[LnGrrrR]

She wasn't off doing her own thing. She was on her way to a meeting. Moreover, she was in a constant state of being with the campaign because she was traveling with them.

An attack takes place while you are in the process of volunteering at the time the event took place? You bet your ass the media calls the campaign to get information.

Manny, you seem a good sort, but I don't think you have the faintest understanding of how PR works in the real world. Especially in a 24/7 news cycle.

Was the word "allegedly" used? Because that would seem to make a big difference.

Also, the campaign could have told the press to contact the police for details as well.

[LnGrrrR]

And the way you guys attacked this woman. judged, witchunted and ridiculed the instant your saviour was questioned says much more about you guys than it does me...I don't give a who you think you've owned.

That... we're intelligent enough to sniff out a hoax when we see one?

[LnGrrrR]

I know I've learned my lesson for having halfway compassion for a female who cried assault. Next time, I'll assume the female is crying wolf.

If the letter is backwards and the story makes no sense... I think having a healthy sense of skepticism is a good thing.

[DarkReign]

Brock, ftw.