Reply With Quote
Do you actually think a Finals MVP ranks higher than a regular season MVP?
As Behold the King said, he lost last year. If he had won, then he would have gotten his Finals MVP too.
This team was significantly better than the Lakers of that same year. LeBron has had a good team for a few years now and he plays in the East.
For the Lakers:
Starters: Smush, Kobe, Luke, Odom, Kwame
Off the bench: Farmar, Sasha, Radmanovic, Turiaf (they sucked back then, they did not get significantly better until last year)
Do you actually think a Finals MVP ranks higher than a regular season MVP?
As Behold the King said, he lost last year. If he had won, then he would have gotten his Finals MVP too.
How is the Cavs team significantly better?
For those 4 months after the All Star break, this team worked. Before that it was all LeBron with people chipping in less than they did in the 4 month stretch. However, i doubt Kobe's lineup would beat the Pistons in 07.
Because the Cavs are an excellent defensive team with a decent bench.
Let's rate the guys from that year:
Pavlovic >>>>>> Smush Parker
Larry Hughes <<<< Kobe
LeBron >>>>>>>> Luke Walton
Drew Gooden << Odom
Big Z >>>>>>>>> Kwame Brown
Bench:
Anderson Verajao >>>> Ronny Turiaf
Boobie Gibson >>> Sasha Vujacic
Donyell Marshall >> Brian Cook
Damon Jones >>> Farmar
The Cavs were better than the Lakers by a wide margin.
Kobe couldn't have done what LeBron did if they switched placed then.
It's not that Kobe flat out won them on Shaq's back but the comparisons are being made to Jordan and his les with Pippen. That is a ridiculous comparison given that Scottie is a borderline at best top 50 player (Personally i don't think he is anymore) and Shaq is regarded as one of the 5 best centers and probably top 10 player all time in the NBA. Shaq put up legeandary post-season numbers and finals numbers. 2 of Pippen maybe equal Shaq.
I agree, but we've gotten pretty far afeild from Kobe v. MJ.
Anyways...
You can't go by what people ought to do, or probably will do, in the future. In 1996, it looked like Reggie Miller had a chance of being every bit the equal of Jordan by the end of their careers. How'd that work out?
Fact: If Kobe Bryant dies tomorrow, there is a very good chance he doesn't even make the HOF on the first ballot.
To the earlier poster who claimed I lack credibility, learn your history and read a book or two before opening your trap. Bryant is not in the discussion for one of the most important players in the history of pro basketball. No rational, educated person could think otherwise. The men I listed have saved entire franchises and/or their pro league from extinction. If you think Bryant is on that level, then you are an idiot, plain and simple.
dirk couldnt have done what wade did if they switched placed then
you following me is getting creepy.
Sorry to inform you, but it's October. Kobe hasn't gotten any more rings, he just got outplayed in another Finals.
u take insults very well
u take insults very well
how was that an insult?
i wasnt talkn about that one dawg
Yup, it's October, and Kobe still has a full season at age 30 left to go.
Okay, we'll spot him a full year. If he can win another MVP, five more scoring les, three finals MVPs and a rookie of the year then we'll talk.
Let me know when Jordan scores 81.If he can win another MVP, five more scoring les, three finals MVPs and a rookie of the year then we'll talk.
Well, he never scored 71 either, so Robinson >= Jordan.
I can respect your tenacity, but you don't even believe this crap, do you?
1 ring extra makes up for all those individual awards. I think it was Barkley or Malone that said they'd trade in all their awards for just 1 ring.Well, he never scored 71 either, so Robinson >= Jordan.
I can respect your tenacity, but you don't even believe this crap, do you?
You're not serious, are you?
You contradict yourself so much its ridiculous. First you say a regular season MVP > Finals MVP because its over a full 82 game season instead of 4-7 games.
And then you say "Let me know when Kobe scores 81". Jordan won about 10 scoring les which are over an 82 game season. But when Kobe has a one game accomplishment its greater than Jordans 82 game accomplishment.
When will you learn you have to put it in context, do you think Malone and Barkley would give up all their individual accomplishments and their legacy, and trade it all for being a rotation guy on 1 championship team? no.
Most people lack perspective.
Let's assume Kobe is the best player in the NBA right now. There was a brief, shiny moment that Darryl Dawkins was the best player in the NBA. Years later, people still remember Chocloate Thunder breaking backboards.
Dawkins isn't considered in the same light as Jordan. (No one would seriously suggest otherwise.) At this point, Bryant is probably closer to Jordan than Dawkins, but lots of great players become footnotes in history.
There is no way in that any reasonable person will take Bryant v. Jordan comparisons seriously until he has six rings or more. The knock on Jordan was winning at any cost. The knock on Bryant is that he has to win HIS way. Is that legitimate? Probably not, but that is the "rap sheet" for those players in the public mind.
Whether or not this is fair and/or whether or not Bryant was a "better" player from a pure skills standpoint are not at issue. We can't really decide those questions, only postulate.
that comment has something to do with the fact that they've never won 1 gaddamn ring.
As I said, "most people lack perspective."
It's not a contradiction or a comparison. Both players did many special feats. Jordan's scoring les are special, Kobe's 81 was special.
But when Jordan has scoring les without rings, it's an achievement. When Kobe scores, he's "a taller Allen Iverson".
It's quite a double-standard, really.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions