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    If Farmer gets decent playing time, I'm willing to bet his FG% will be higher than Michael Finley's.

    Book it.

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    If Farmer gets decent playing time, I'm willing to bet his FG% will be higher than Michael Finley's.

    Book it.
    You know if that turns out to be true, I would that Farmer would move up in the regular rotation. I know that Pop's ongoing man-crush with Finley would never allow that to happen, but it's nice to think about.

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    I wonder what Pop's intentions are with Farmer. Is this a long-term signing or a stop-gap signing to get the team through the dark Manu-less period?

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    You know if that turns out to be true, I would that Farmer would move up in the regular rotation. I know that Pop's ongoing man-crush with Finley would never allow that to happen, but it's nice to think about.
    That's what I'm afriad of. It's like you mentioned before about Pop's man-crush with NVE that was part of the Spurs undoing against the Mavs back in 2006.

    If anything, I would love for Pop to experiment more than ever with the youth on this team early on in the season. Develop the bench now, because we already know what we're gonna get with the veterans (which outside the big 3 won't be very much but still )

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    That's what I'm afriad of. It's like you mentioned before about Pop's man-crush with NVE that was part of the Spurs undoing against the Mavs back in 2006.

    If anything, I would love for Pop to experiment more than ever with the youth on this team early on in the season. Develop the bench now, because we already know what we're gonna get with the veterans (which outside the big 3 won't be very much but still )
    Exactly. I'm still convinced that the time to experiment is during those dog days of the regular season months of Dec, Jan and Feb. How are guys ever supposed to get experience if they cannot get court time?

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    Farmer sounds like a 2-guard only. His offfensive prowess aside, does anyone know what kind of defender he is?

    I'm looking forward to getting a look at him. I just know that once Manu comes back, he'll be buried at the end of the bench.
    They can probably hide him, but I'm looking forward to the Farmer/Finley/Bowen/Watkins/KT lineups for that extra offensive oomph.

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    I just can't say I like this. I would rather spend the spot on a player that might be developed. Someday we have to think about that. Instead we have an end of the bench 27 yr old who can shoot but plays no defense and seems questionable as a system player. Outstanding.

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    So tell me what's up. I didn't read the specific thread out of the dozens whining about IR players.

    Please let me know about this specific post.
    Thank you for asking. Finally.

    We've been beating this issue into the ground over the last week, and most all of us realize that the final choices, when viewed big picture, are six of one, half dozen of the other, but it's preseason and there's really nothing else going on to discuss. The debate has been brisk, but nobody takes it completely seriously. I've joked a couple of different times that I'm well aware that I'm in danger of getting too invested in the debate, and there was a post where I said I wouldn't be heartbroken if Hairston didn't make the team, and then said that yeah, I probably would. The guys that have been following that were expecting the "I'm sick to my stomach" post from me, and I was only happy to oblige. It was mainly an attempt to be funny and you decided to step in and ridicule me for it.

    As to the specifics, I still think that Hairston is a legitimate NBA defender, and whether Manu is healthy or not has little to do with his value. I'm fairly sure that someone will pick him up, which is why I don't like the cut, but if he ends up getting to spend a year in Austin and come in next year, then I'm happy as can be.

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    So basically the choosing of IR players was overdiscussed.

    Again.

    I didn't miss anything at all.

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    So basically the choosing of IR players was overdiscussed.

    Again.

    I didn't miss anything at all.
    You saying this is actually the key to the discussion. If its only for IR players then why not use it on a player that actually has upside and can be developed in Austin and has the potential to be a key member of the rotation next year?

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    cannot find farmer in youtube. Did anyone here got his highlights or any videos link about him at all?? I really want to see this guy scores though, Im happy finally Spurs want to upgrade offense, I know defense win championship but what we need is in offense beside big 3

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    So basically the choosing of IR players was overdiscussed.

    Again.

    I didn't miss anything at all.
    You just decided to leap in and act like a bag when you clearly didn't get the joke, and then lied about it when challenged. We didn't miss you either.

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    You saying this is actually the key to the discussion. If its only for IR players then why not use it on a player that actually has upside and can be developed in Austin and has the potential to be a key member of the rotation next year?
    I said there was a legitimate argument between having abilities needed now (Farmer's scoring) and potential upside (Hairston's D). I even argued for keeping Hairston for that very reason, but I just never felt it was a big enough difference to get upset if things went the other way.

    Now I think it's just a matter of playing or trading Bonner. Then we can talk about what we'd like to get back or replace him with if he isn't played.

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    You just decided to leap in and act like a bag when you clearly didn't get the joke, and then lied about it when challenged. We didn't miss you either.
    Wow, this really does have you upset.

    I do read the threads; I feel bad that I didn't commit everything posted to memory. I just don't think that highly of a lot of posters. That's my bad.

    Sorry to ruin your day.

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    Now I think it's just a matter of playing or trading Bonner. Then we can talk about what we'd like to get back or replace him with if he isn't played.
    Amen. I'm hoping that Pop's seeming fixation on Tolliver isn't so that he can have someone to take minutes away from Bonner while he rots away on the bench collecting his paycheck.

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    I just hope whoever is playing better plays.

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    congrats to farmer, dont waste it.

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    Farmer is not good on defense but he is an amazingly athletic player who can stroke the 3-point ball. Like other people have said, if the Spurs can hide Brent Barry on defense, they can hide Farmer (who has the potential to become a better defender if they work with him on it).

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    Wow, this really does have you upset.

    Sorry to ruin your day.
    Not particularly, although I must say I'm not a big fan of being insulted and then having to explain it. If you don't like the reaction you got, maybe you should learn not to step into a discussion and immediately start talking down to people that might know more than you do about what's going on.

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    I said there was a legitimate argument between having abilities needed now (Farmer's scoring) and potential upside (Hairston's D). I even argued for keeping Hairston for that very reason, but I just never felt it was a big enough difference to get upset if things went the other way.

    Now I think it's just a matter of playing or trading Bonner. Then we can talk about what we'd like to get back or replace him with if he isn't played.
    I am not upset about losing Hairston as much as I am upset about our FO's lack of concern about what is in store for the future beyond the TD/TP/Manu era. We are only looking at a 2 year window. We need to start getting the new cast ready now.

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    Farmer sounds like a 2-guard only. His offfensive prowess aside, does anyone know what kind of defender he is?

    I'm looking forward to getting a look at him. I just know that once Manu comes back, he'll be buried at the end of the bench.
    Remember how Brent would pass up shots and so would Finley when they were obviously on the floor to shoot ? That's not Farmer. Farmer has Don Nelson in his blood. He has a "F*ck this ! Give me the ball, I'll take the shot and make it" mentality.

    Now, actually being in the game and saying those things will be a whole different story. I think he's a good pick up.

    As for the defense, he looks like he has the physical tools to do the job. Especially in our scheme where staying in front of your defender and leading them to the inside is key. I honestly didn't pay attention to his defense as much.

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    I love it here. I can lurk in a conversation like this and listen to opinions and learn.


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    I am not upset about losing Hairston as much as I am upset about our FO's lack of concern about what is in store for the future beyond the TD/TP/Manu era. We are only looking at a 2 year window. We need to start getting the new cast ready now.
    They know it's pretty much going to suck when Duncan is gone no matter what.

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    It's sort of a fun exercise to rank the players in order of significance. Pop doesn't really go by rankings. he looks at matchups, game by game. However, I might rank them sans-Manu:

    1. Duncan
    2. Parker
    3. Bowen
    4. Finley
    5. Oberto
    6. Udoka
    7. Mason
    8. Thomas
    9. Vaughn
    10. Hill
    11. Bonner
    12. Tolliver
    13. Farmer

    Manu and Mahinmi are physically unable to perform
    Bowen has no statistics and didn't do in preseason.
    He is the oldest and worst of all starting forwards in the Western Conference and you have him ranked 3rd. You're such a homer.

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    They know it's pretty much going to suck when Duncan is gone no matter what.
    Well hopefully it won't suck that bad considering we do not know what the plan is for 2010 and the fact that although Duncan will be gone and you cannot replace him, his 22 million dollars will be around.

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