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    Duncan I definitely agree. Yao too.

    If the Lakers didn't have Pau, I'd take Amare to win today. To build a team today, I'd take Bynum.

    Camby, Sheed, Kaman, at their current ages and skill level, I would not take over Bynum if I wanted to win this year. Sheed used to be bad-ass but he's alot older now. Camby, Kaman have low ceilings and I'd say Bynum is a better player today than those two.

    Chandler is a great defensive player but he has no offense.

    For perspective, I think I remember the Wolves were getting a trade on the table with KG for Bynum + Farmar. Or maybe it was Odom + Bynum, I'm not sure. And of course there was the Jason Kidd for Bynum deal which Kobe was a little unhappy with. The Lakers would part with one of them but wouldn't let go of Bynum so they turned it down.
    Ya because you are trying to distort the argument. The fact remains that you are trying to rank Bynum today. If you take potential and age into consideration then Bynum clearly moves up. But for teams winning today, his potential does not matter. Bynum, even when playing his best last year for that short amount of time, was not better than anyone I mentioned, especially with regards to experience. You keep acting like Bynum is this offensive genius. He is limited, just like everyone else for the most part. If he is not in the paint, he is not scoring. He has not shown a consistent shot, maybe some small flashes, but the body of work is not enough for any gm to pass up on the centers I listed if their goal is to win now.

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    Duncan I definitely agree. Yao too.

    If the Lakers didn't have Pau, I'd take Amare to win today. To build a team today, I'd take Bynum.

    Camby, Sheed, Kaman, at their current ages and skill level, I would not take over Bynum if I wanted to win this year. Sheed used to be bad-ass but he's alot older now. Camby, Kaman have low ceilings and I'd say Bynum is a better player today than those two.

    Chandler is a great defensive player but he has no offense.

    For perspective, I think I remember the Wolves were getting a trade on the table with KG for Bynum + Farmar. Or maybe it was Odom + Bynum, I'm not sure. And of course there was the Jason Kidd for Bynum deal which Kobe was a little unhappy with. The Lakers would part with one of them but wouldn't let go of Bynum so they turned it down.
    IMO, that was stupid as , because the Lakers would of had a championship last year and possibly for the next 3 years. Kobe + KG is better than Kobe+Pau+Bynum

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    kaman and camby as your big man if u want championship?

    wtf
    Over Bynum. Yes.

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    Ya because you are trying to distort the argument. The fact remains that you are trying to rank Bynum today. If you take potential and age into consideration then Bynum clearly moves up. But for teams winning today, his potential does not matter. Bynum, even when playing his best last year for that short amount of time, was not better than anyone I mentioned, especially with regards to experience. You keep acting like Bynum is this offensive genius. He is limited, just like everyone else for the most part. If he is not in the paint, he is not scoring. He has not shown a consistent shot, maybe some small flashes, but the body of work is not enough for any gm to pass up on the centers I listed if their goal is to win now.
    No, I'm not talking about potential, I'm talking about today.

    The preseason showed that Bynum has improved yet again with his new jump shot. His size just makes everything easy for him on the court. Just a couple of nights ago, he had like 23 points, a bunch of rebounds, couple blocks in <30 minutes.

    Of all the Centers, only Yao scores easier than Bynum.

    The only guy on your list that could put up those numbers right now is Amare. And Amare pitted against Bynum last Christmas was not good for Amare.

    Camby, Kaman, Chandler were never very good stat stuffers to begin with.

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    Camby + Kaman over Bynum for a championship?

    Over Bynum. Yes.
    That's craziness in my opinion. Maybe it's because I've never had much regard for Camby + Kaman.

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    IMO, that was stupid as , because the Lakers would of had a championship last year and possibly for the next 3 years. Kobe + KG is better than Kobe+Pau+Bynum
    Kobe + KG would have definitely been better in the short term and probably would have gotten them at least the next 2 championships. But across the next 6 years, I think Kobe+Pau+Bynum will be the better investment. And Bynum is the 10 year investment.

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    Kobe + KG would have definitely been better in the short term and probably would have gotten them at least the next 2 championships. But across the next 6 years, I think Kobe+Pau+Bynum will be the better investment. And Bynum is the 10 year investment.
    But chips are whats important. Without Kobe, Bynum's value goes way down imo. He is a good big in comparison to most, but not the KG, Duncan...type of big that is so good on both ends that he can carry a team.

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    But chips are whats important. Without Kobe, Bynum's value goes way down imo. He is a good big in comparison to most, but not the KG, Duncan...type of big that is so good on both ends that he can carry a team.
    That is true. Bynum is not a leader...maybe after 5 more years, right now, he's 2nd or 3rd man.

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    I do know one thing though, I have Bynum on my fantasy team

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    I do know one thing though, I have Bynum on my fantasy team
    You won't regret the stat stuffing.


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    i could understand maybe kaman but camby is a overrated

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    i could understand maybe kaman but camby is a overrated
    And Bynum isn't?

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    Kobe + KG > Kobe + Pau + Bynum???

    Give me whatever you're smoking.

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    bynum can score and is a much more efficient rebounder than camby. he doesnt even deserve that dpoy.

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    bynum can score and is a much more efficient rebounder than camby. he doesnt even deserve that dpoy.
    Says who, you?

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    Kobe + KG > Kobe + Pau + Bynum???

    Give me whatever you're smoking.
    Yes. Two of the best players in the league on both sides of the ball, plus two of the most fiercest compe ors in the league are better. For the short term.

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    watch the game. marcus is limited offensively. bynum led the league in fg% in limited touches and also grabs the board at a higher rate in less minutes


    also tim duncan is a better choice for dpoy that year



    watch the game dont read it.

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    watch the game.


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    Oh, so the people who voted did not watch the games.

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    Oh, so the people who voted did not watch the games.
    well people DID vote kobe for all defense first team the last 2 years. and ben wallace has been milking that defensive player credibility the past few seasons.


    whats ur point?

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    well people DID vote kobe for all defense first team the last 2 years. and ben wallace has been milking that defensive player credibility the past few seasons.


    whats ur point?
    Whats yours? You are trying to say your OPINION has more bearing that those who know basketball a lot more than you do. Bynum rebounds well, but per minute stats are not accurate. If a guy plays one minute and scores one point, that means his per 48 would = 48 points. It does not really work like that. Fact is Camby is always top 3 in rebounds and blocks.

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    watch the game. marcus is limited offensively. bynum led the league in fg% in limited touches and also grabs the board at a higher rate in less minutes


    also tim duncan is a better choice for dpoy that year



    watch the game dont read it.
    Ha, Andris Biedrins led the league in FG% for a while but all he does is dunk, same with Dwight Howard. Bynum leading the league if FG% is not indicative of his all around offensive game. He plays in the paint and dunks, not outside of it.

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    Whats yours? You are trying to say your OPINION has more bearing that those who know basketball a lot more than you do. Bynum rebounds well, but per minute stats are not accurate. If a guy plays one minute and scores one point, that means his per 48 would = 48 points. It does not really work like that. Fact is Camby is always top 3 in rebounds and blocks.

    create a thread in every forum and ask the same question.


    who is more efficent offensively? bynum or camby?


    who grabs a higher rebounding rate? bynum or camby?


    forget the experts. they dont know more than your casual basketball fan. ask the people.

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    Ha, Andris Biedrins led the league in FG% for a while but all he does is dunk, same with Dwight Howard. Bynum leading the league if FG% is not indicative of his all around offensive game. He plays in the paint and dunks, not outside of it.
    biedrins is a player who can definitely give more. but he plays in a structured offense meant to run and gun.


    you have monta ellis,baron davis,stephen davis taking majority of the shots and their post presence is neglected.


    your exapmle of dwight further proves how close bynum is closing in among the best of the best in efficiency category. he just needs more playing time.


    bynum can bang down low. and he has a soft touch for a player that is barely hitting the scratch of his potential.

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    create a thread in every forum and ask the same question.


    who is more efficent offensively? bynum or camby?


    who grabs a higher rebounding rate? bynum or camby?


    forget the experts. they dont know more than your casual basketball fan. ask the people.
    So you think that Bynum will out rebound Camby given the same minutes?

    Bynum is a better finisher around the rim and is more efficient, but I have seen Camby hit jumpers and 3 pointers, Bynum cannot do that.

    That is the empirical fallacy of being a fan. You think you know more than people getting paid. If that was the case, you could find a job doing this.

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    Whats yours? You are trying to say your OPINION has more bearing that those who know basketball a lot more than you do. Bynum rebounds well, but per minute stats are not accurate. If a guy plays one minute and scores one point, that means his per 48 would = 48 points. It does not really work like that. Fact is Camby is always top 3 in rebounds and blocks.
    i didnt even mention PER 48 as the end all be all indicative of productions. its a good aspect of stats so it shouldnt be disregarded anyway.


    what im saying is that with the way the lakers/phil is using bynum, he is certainly a player that can outperform camby.

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