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That's worth it's own thread, boutons.
It's amazing that Sarah Palin billed herself as the people's choice. She's managed to prove herself as corrupt as anyone, in a quarter of the time it normally takes!
I feel exactly the same way about this. Peggy Noonan was right, IMO, when she was unintentionally overheard saying the choice was "cynical." The move was so obviously hoping to cash in on women angry over Hillary not being chosen as a running mate, and I'm just relieved that the initial wave of enthusiasm has been followed by an even larger receding of the tide. At any rate, I still think this election has been historic in the sense that it will possibly put to rest for good the once conventional wisdom that the USA is decades away from being capable of electing a woman or an African American president. Barack will almost certainly go down in history as the Jackie Robinson of presidential elections, even if he somehow loses, just by virtue of the fact that he is the first to have a really legitimate shot at winning that office.
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That's worth it's own thread, boutons.
It's amazing that Sarah Palin billed herself as the people's choice. She's managed to prove herself as corrupt as anyone, in a quarter of the time it normally takes!
The repubs have to have God as an issue to get regular folks to vote against their own self-interests. They will still have to be the god-party for the foreseeable future. There's a place for Palin in that.
Wrong. People vote their pocketbooks. There's just too many Obama idiots who can't connect dots.
"People vote their pocketbooks."
is exactly why Americans vote Dem when the economy is the priority, like now. America has done better economoically under Dem admins vs Repug admins.
To be fair, Presidents have very little influence on the economy itself.
The man with the most power to influence our economy is the head of the Federal Reserve. They have direct control over interest rates and other monetary policies which directly influence our economy. Second to the Federal Reserve is Congress, but Congress is by nature a slow-moving beast. Without a filibuster proof majority it takes considerable time to push through spending budgets and what not. So we can't directly pin the poor economy on Bush, but we can say his policies certainly did not help us.
Spending billions in Iraq, cutting taxes like a mad-man, lowering interest rates......all dangerous policies.
It's true the president doesn't have direct, real-time control...but he chooses who to advise him...
"head of the Federal Reserve"
... currently has very little power, because his single lever, interest rate, to control up the money supply, is already very low. (There's a huge debate at UChicago about Friedman vs Keynes.)
Due to the opacity and complexity of derivatives, MBS, D-CS, which financial org has which exposure is totally unknown until the org goes s up, so the financial sector players refuse to lend to each other, creating a liquidity crisis, no matter what the Bernanke does.
Presidents, the ones who govern in good faith and respect the Cons ution, have always complained about their lack of power, is why dubya and head were so powerful, they ruled in bad faith, insulting and abusing the law, the Cons ution, successfully overturning the checks and balances.
Even with 60+ in the Senate and a large majority in the House, HUSSEIN will also be complaining about how powerless he will be.
HUSSEIN, on 20 JAN, will be hamstrung by the cratered economy, low income tax revenues, and 2 bull , unwinnable wars, and the states crying for federal subsidies and loans (like California and dozens of others) as their tax revenues collapse.
btw, Greenspan trying to patch up the economy and neutralize the post-bubble pain after the 1990s Internet bubble was exactly the wrong thing to do, as his 0% interest rate in the early 2000s blew up the already-inflated housing bubble. Greenspan really ed up bad.
Man, if you just toned down the hate and partisanship, youd be an awesome member.
Youre smart (albeit partisan), but I just cant sift thru all the McSame/Repug/etc mess.
Im sure you dont give a , but I wanted to say that anyway.
I just knew that she was a Maverick & would do something Mavericky….
good for her. McCain is a democrat anyway. Obama is a Marxist nut. This from a guy who said - when asked about the civil rights movement in a radio interview "... the supreme court never venntured into redistribution of wealth - ..... the warren court wasn't that radical it didnt break free from the essential constraits that were placed by the founding fathers in the cons ution at least as its been interpreted and the warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the cons ution is a charter of negative liberties; says what the sates cant do to you - what the federal government cant do to you but it doesnt say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf .. and that hasnt shifted.. one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the movemement was more focused on the courts than on the ground level with community activating and organizing. "
And too many idiots didn't connect the dots in the past two presidential elections.
Let whottt know if she goes commando.
The thing is the GOP has purged the moderates from their party and there really are not that many left and certainly none of stature to immediately become the "leader of the party"
Posters have been making comments about the country moving to the center or moving to the left, but for the most part, the country has stayed the same. The GOP has gone so far right now that moderates look like socialists to them. All they have left is the far fringe.
Divisions within the Democratic party will be what eventually gives life back to the Republicans. At this time, due to the last 8 years (and back to '94 for that matter) the Democrats are united. Look for the fissures to occur with the so called Blue Dogs or some remaining DLC holdovers. Some of the corporate conservatives have thrown their lot in with the Dems for this election as there are enough corporate friendly Dems they (the corporatists) feel they can get what they want by trying to get the DLC, Blue Dogs and Republicans to form alliances to oppose liberal legislation.
Romney and Huckabee will likely be back to try again in 2012 but now they have to contend with Palin and the other extremists in the party. Some may try and get Petreaus to run.
As Manny says, 4 years is plenty of time to alienate the electorate or at the very least, the independents but barring some sort of civil war between factions within the Democratic party, I don't see the GOP recovering in 2012 even if the economy remains weak throughout an Obama administration.
It's still too early to tell and let's get this election behind us before we start speculating about 2012.
No way in Palin will make the ticket in 2012 if the Republicans have an ounce of intelligence left, especially if Obama reruns. Romney would be an ideal candidate for them.
Cenk connects the 'rogue' dots....
Do you know how many Republicans have a problem with his religion?
Wow...Huckabee is a 'moderate' compared to Palin.....Romney and Huckabee will likely be back to try again in 2012 but now they have to contend with Palin and the other extremists in the party. Some may try and get Petreaus to run.
^^ Don't forget Huckabee spoke about helping the poor so he is a Christian socialist in some eyes.
Someone I forgot about for 2012 is Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.
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