Predictions from first Earth Day, 1970

[101A]

I thought Global Warming was a myth.

No, the globe warms; man just probably doesn't have much to do with it; that big, glowing, nuclear orb in the sky, amazingly, does.

Linked a liberal site, so you could trust the source.

We weren't talking about global warming.

[Shastafarian]

No, the globe warms; man just probably doesn't have much to do with it; that big, glowing, nuclear orb in the sky, amazingly, does.

Linked a liberal site, so you could trust the source.

We weren't talking about global warming.

Then what is causing the food shortages? I maintain that there is enough food produced to feed everyone. How that food is allocated is what causes famines.

[DarrinS]

You know what I've always wondered?


What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?

[101A]

Then what is causing the food shortages? I maintain that there is enough food produced to feed everyone. How that food is allocated is what causes famines.

As I said; the US converting great quan ies of Corn (used to be food) into ethanol is part of the problem. You said, "no way". I linked an article that cited it as a factor.

[101A]

You know what I've always wondered?


What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?

Are we hosting the summer, or winter, olympics?

Life does MUCH better when it warms up.

[Shastafarian]

No, the globe warms; man just probably doesn't have much to do with it; that big, glowing, nuclear orb in the sky, amazingly, does.

Linked a liberal site, so you could trust the source.

We weren't talking about global warming.

New sources of irrigation water are even more scarce than new land to plow. Meanwhile, the backlog of agricultural technology that can be used to raise cropland productivity is dwindling. And the rising price of oil is boosting the costs of both food production and transport while at the same time making it more profitable to convert grain into fuel for cars.

Beyond this, climate change presents new risks. Crop-withering heat waves, increasingly destructive storms, and the melting of the Asian mountain glaciers that sustain the dry-season flow of that region’s major rivers are combining to make harvest expansion more difficult. In the past the negative effect of unusual weather events was always temporary; within a year or two things would return to normal. But with climate in flux, there is no norm to return to.


And I still maintain that there is enough FOOD being produced to feed everyone. If that food was being properly allocated it wouldn't matter that we are converting grain to fuel.

[boutons_]

the sun is the sole, predominant culprit.

man's activities are totally innocent, non-causative, so Carry On.

thanks for the right-wing ideological clarification.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIqLsGT2wbQ

[101A]

New sources of irrigation water are even more scarce than new land to plow. Meanwhile, the backlog of agricultural technology that can be used to raise cropland productivity is dwindling. And the rising price of oil is boosting the costs of both food production and transport while at the same time making it more profitable to convert grain into fuel for cars.

Beyond this, climate change presents new risks. Crop-withering heat waves, increasingly destructive storms, and the melting of the Asian mountain glaciers that sustain the dry-season flow of that region’s major rivers are combining to make harvest expansion more difficult. In the past the negative effect of unusual weather events was always temporary; within a year or two things would return to normal. But with climate in flux, there is no norm to return to.


And I still maintain that there is enough FOOD being produced to feed everyone. If that food was being properly allocated it wouldn't matter that we are converting grain to fuel.

YOU said Ethanol accounted for NO starvation; that is the ONLY part of that article I read. I don't give a what it says about climate change; I figure it's full of crap - I simply linked it for the other piece.

It's cold here today, btw.

[PixelPusher]

You know what I've always wondered?


What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?

"optimal" is a relative term, in this case relative to the needs of billions of Sapiens like you and me.

Are we hosting the summer, or winter, olympics?

Life does MUCH better when it warms up.

Life needs water as much as it needs heat. Amazon = full of life, Sahara = eh, not so much.

Everyone is still busy ing about mean temperature and how much hotter/colder this year was compared to last year, ect. What ultimately matters is how climate change affects precipitation on a global scale. In this country, we've already stretched our freshwater resources to their limits (here's looking at you Nevada/Arizona/New Mexico/Southern California).

[101A]

"optimal" is a relative term, in this case relative to the needs of billions of Sapiens like you and me.

Life needs water as much as it needs heat. Amazon = full of life, Sahara = eh, not so much.

Everyone is still busy ing about mean temperature and how much hotter/colder this year was compared to last year, ect. What ultimately matters is how climate change affects precipitation on a global scale. In this country, we've already stretched our freshwater resources to their limits (here's looking at you Nevada/Arizona/New Mexico/Southern California).

Where the is the water gonna go?
If the caps melt, there is a of a lot MORE water; even if it's in the ocean, it's gonna evaporate - then fall back down as......fresh water!!!

Ice Ages kill a bunch of life; warm periods throughout history kicks ass for life. Their finding a bunch of dinosaur bones up in NORTHERN ALASKA!!!! And not furry - eskimo types either; Life spread much further than now.

[Wild Cobra]

Any thoughts on the new ocean that's going to form in Africa?

[Shastafarian]

Any thoughts on the new ocean that's going to form in Africa?

In the Great Rift Valley?

[Tully365]

“...civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind,” biologist George Wald, Harvard University, April 19, 1970.

By 1995, “...somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.” Sen. Gaylord Nelson, quoting Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, Look magazine, April 1970.

Because of increased dust, cloud cover and water vapor “...the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born,” Newsweek magazine, January 26, 1970.

The world will be “...eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age,” Kenneth Watt, speaking at Swarthmore University, April 19, 1970.

“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” biologist Barry Commoner, University of Washington, writing in the journal Environment, April 1970.

“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from the intolerable deteriorations and possible extinction,” The New York Times editorial, April 20, 1970.

“By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half...” Life magazine, January 1970.

“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich, interview in Mademoiselle magazine, April 1970.

“...air pollution...is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone,” Paul Ehrlich, interview in Mademoiselle magazine, April 1970. Ehrlich also predicted that in 1973, 200,000 Americans would die from air pollution, and that by 1980 the life expectancy of Americans would be 42 years.

“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” Earth Day organizer Denis Hayes, The Living Wilderness, Spring 1970.

“By the year 2000...the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America and Australia, will be in famine,” Peter Gunter, North Texas State University, The Living Wilderness, Spring 1970.

By the way, the last couple of years were pretty freakin cold and it looks this this year may be colder than the previous two.


"Coincidentally", the current cooling trend coincides with a period of very low solar activity.

You know what I've always wondered?


What is the optimal temperature of the Earth?

We don't always see eye to eye on things, but I've gotta give you props for this thread. Well done, IMO.

[DarrinS]

We don't always see eye to eye on things, but I've gotta give you props for this thread. Well done, IMO.

I'm just sick of the whole global warming issue -- especially as a political issue.

When I saw Leonardo de Crapio hand Gore that Nobel prize and say "You are a true champion for the cause", I thought I was going to throw up.

[Cry Havoc]

Hahaha, it's funny. My stepdad and I have been having a running discussion (agreement) that the Earth is on a global warming "trend", rather than a man-made collision course with disaster. I have to agree with a lot of the sentiments here.

That said, we should still care for our planet. Ya only get one!

[Tully365]

I'm just sick of the whole global warming issue -- especially as a political issue.

When I saw Leonardo de Crapio hand Gore that Nobel prize and say "You are a true champion for the cause", I thought I was going to throw up.

For me, the whole question of whether the earth is warming or cooling and whether it's a short term thing or a long term thing is really not important politically. The question should be simpler and more straight-forward: Do we want the earth to be more polluted or less polluted? That's what it all boils down to for me.

[ratm1221]

Bottom line is your f'in up my air. I'm going to come drive a pickup truck around in your house with the windows closed and see how you like it.