Your Vote, Your Reasons

[Trainwreck2100]

I respect your belief in whatever it is, be it god, zeus, tim duncan, satan, etc et etc. If that's what works for you, great. But please don't ask me to believe or respect YOUR imaginary friend.

I'm not asking you to respect my imaginary friend, I'm asking you to respect my beliefs. I'm not saying do it for God because that's pointless since you don't belive in him.

[angel_luv]

God has been very gracious to me. He has answered all my prayers, even the ones I said once and then shoved to the back of my mind.

[clambake]

God has been very gracious to me. He has answered all my prayers, even the ones I said once and then shoved to the back of my mind.

so you never prayed for god to reveal the truth about obama?

[ElNono]

I'm not asking you to respect my imaginary friend, I'm asking you to respect my beliefs. I'm not saying do it for God because that's pointless since you don't belive in him.

I am respecting your belief. I didn't tell you not to believe, did I?

[ElNono]

Then what do you call Allah? since saying Allah to a Muslim is apart of their "supers ion"

god

[angel_luv]

do you pray for obama's soul or his defeat?

do you ask god to reveal the truth about obama?

I pray for both Senators McCain and Obama that they grow in their knowledge and love of the Lord and lead in a way that brings honor to Jesus and blessings on all of us.

And I pray if either is unwilling or unable to do the above, that the other candidate gets elected.

I pray that God gives all votes the wisdom necessary to elect the candidate best suited to run our country.

And I ask all this in Jesus name, knowing that God will answer my prayers.

[Trainwreck2100]

So you're equating using the name of different deity with capitalizing a letter in the english language....seriously?

I'm equating you using a deity's name in one case and not the other. God's name is God not god. god can be any number of gods, beit zeus, mercury, or any other ones planets are named after. Go look in a dictionary and you will see there is a difference between God and god.

[angel_luv]

Yeah but what if you got a new message and it told you to kill someone? Would you do it in the name of God?

No, because God is a God of order. He does not contradict the Bible when He speaks to peoples' hearts.

This is the last question of this kind I am going to answer for you.

You are mocking me and I am not going to dignify that sort of behavior with a response.

[ElNono]

I pray for both Senators McCain and Obama that they grow in their knowledge and love of the Lord and lead in a way that brings honor to Jesus and blessings on all of us.

And I pray if either is unwilling or unable to do the above, that the other candidate gets elected.

I pray that God gives all votes the wisdom necessary to elect the candidate best suited to run our country.

And I ask all this in Jesus name, knowing that God will answer my prayers.

Well, this is the kind of stuff I wanted to hear. This is good news. If Obama wins then according to the above, that's god's choice, thus angel will be happy about it. Good.

[angel_luv]

I see... thanks for answering the question.

You're welcome.

[Trainwreck2100]

I am respecting your belief. I didn't tell you not to believe, did I?

So if i walked up to a muslim and say negative things about their religion. I'm respecting it as long as i don't tell them not to believe that? If i go to a muslim and said "you guys pray on yoga mats three times a day" That's respecting their beliefs, because i didn't tell them not to believe

god

I wasn't talking to you

[clambake]

I pray for both Senators McCain and Obama that they grow in their knowledge and love of the Lord and lead in a way that brings honor to Jesus and blessings on all of us.

how can that prayer happen if you think one is the anti-christ?

And I pray if either is unwilling or unable to do the above, that the other candidate gets elected.

how could you even consider "you know who"?

I pray that God gives all votes the wisdom necessary to elect the candidate best suited to run our country.

so it's all up to god and we've been wasting our time? i only ask this because you say god answers all your prayers.

And I ask all this in Jesus name, knowing that God will answer my prayers.

see what i mean?

now, why in the name of wouldn't you ask god if obama is the anti-christ?

it's only the single most important question you should have on your mind.

[ElNono]

So if i walked up to a muslim and say negative things about their religion. I'm respecting it as long as i don't tell them not to believe that? If i said "you guys pray on yoga mats three times a day" That's respecting their beliefs, because i didn't tell them not to believe

You would be expressing your opinion. If he takes offense on that, then he's the one being intolerant. It's not that complicated, really.

[LnGrrrR]

Angel_Luv, do you ever question God's word?

After all, some other rather important people have..

"The first time we hear Abraham engage God in conversation, God has just promised to give him a great reward (Genesis 15:1). But Abraham responds with doubt. “O Lord God, what will you give me, since I am childless?” (Genesis 15:2)."

"Despite seeing a bush burning with fire but not consumed, despite seeing his shepherd’s staff transformed into a serpent, and despite seeing his hand become leprous and then healed of leprosy, Moses fires back question after question and challenge after challenge to the God revealed specially and uniquely to him: “I AM THAT I AM; I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE.” Moses appears not to recognize his conversation partner, the God of his father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, as he questions God repeatedly in their dramatic conversation: “Who am I, that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring the sons of Israel out of Egypt?” (Exodus 3:11). “Now they may say to me, ‘What is God’s name?’ What shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). “What if they will not believe me, or listen to what I say?” (Exodus 4:1). “Please, Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue” (Exodus 4:10). “Please Lord, send someone else to do it” (Exodus 4:13). "

From http://www.rzim.org/GlobalElements/G...3/Default.aspx

Note to Angel: I'm not trying to "trick" you; I'm merely pointing out that if God exists, I think he appreciates critical thinking more than blind faith.

[angel_luv]

Well, this is the kind of stuff I wanted to hear. This is good news. If Obama wins then according to the above, that's god's choice, thus angel will be happy about it. Good.

I will pray regularly for whomever is elected president. Even with both candidates qualifications, the candidates have a daunting task ahead of them and need the prayers.

For the record, I pray for all of you who post in these thread with me as well.

[clambake]

Thanks For Not Answering The Specific And Yet Simple Questions.

[Trainwreck2100]

You would be expressing your opinion. If he takes offense on that, then he's the one being intolerant. It's not that complicated, really.

So if i grab a muslim prayer mat, burn it and put it out with my piss right in front of him, I'm not disrespecting him or his beliefs? I'm defiling a sacred object, but I'm not telling him to convert so I'm fine?

[ElNono]

So if i grab a muslim prayer mat, burn it and put it out with my piss right in front of him, I'm not disrespecting him or his beliefs? I'm defiling a sacred object, but I'm not telling him to convert so I'm fine?

How is it a sacred object if you are not a Muslim? To you it's just a mat.

[clambake]

i think it's ashame that god would with a follower and not tell them that the anti-christ could lead her. that god is a funny dude.

[Trainwreck2100]

How is it a sacred object if you are not a Muslim? To you it's just a mat.

Am i disrepecting them or not?

[ElNono]

Am i disrepecting them or not?

I don't think you are.

[angel_luv]

Angel_Luv, do you ever question God's word?

After all, some other rather important people have..

"The first time we hear Abraham engage God in conversation, God has just promised to give him a great reward (Genesis 15:1). But Abraham responds with doubt. “O Lord God, what will you give me, since I am childless?” (Genesis 15:2)."

"Despite seeing a bush burning with fire but not consumed, despite seeing his shepherd’s staff transformed into a serpent, and despite seeing his hand become leprous and then healed of leprosy, Moses fires back question after question and challenge after challenge to the God revealed specially and uniquely to him: “I AM THAT I AM; I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE.” Moses appears not to recognize his conversation partner, the God of his father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, as he questions God repeatedly in their dramatic conversation: “Who am I, that I should go to Pharaoh, and that I should bring the sons of Israel out of Egypt?” (Exodus 3:11). “Now they may say to me, ‘What is God’s name?’ What shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). “What if they will not believe me, or listen to what I say?” (Exodus 4:1). “Please, Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue” (Exodus 4:10). “Please Lord, send someone else to do it” (Exodus 4:13). "

From http://www.rzim.org/GlobalElements/G...3/Default.aspx

I have fears and doubts at times, ones just like the ones you cited.

A favorite Scripture in times of doubt for me is

"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.
Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.
If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

The times when I experience pain, fear, and doubt are the ones in which I am most grateful to have faith.

I have the blessed assurance that the same God who came through for Abraham, Moses, and me numerous times already along my life's journey will continue to make a way for me.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't think you are.

So by that logic, I can walk into a VFW hall, grab old glory, burn it and put it out with my piss. And if those old guys take offense they are being intolerant?

[ElNono]

So by that logic I can walk into a VFW hall grab old glory burn it and put it out with my piss. And if those old guys take offense they are being intolerant?

What's a VFW?

[Trainwreck2100]

What's a VFW?

verterans of foreign wars