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All he had to do was make his free throws. Honestly the fact that he's let his free throw shooting suck this long shows me that he isn't nearly as dedicated to improving his game as Kobe is.
LMAO- so let's judge his whole season on the first game.
Kobe played a team that didn't make the playoffs at home- while Lebron was on the road facing the defending champions. I don't really care who is better because they are both good- but some of your arguments are stupid- IT'S THE FIRST GAME
All he had to do was make his free throws. Honestly the fact that he's let his free throw shooting suck this long shows me that he isn't nearly as dedicated to improving his game as Kobe is.
Lebron is a better rebounder and passer than Kobe- that doesn't trump Kobe's free throw shooting ability? or is scoring the only thing we want to base all this on?
^ thats more ablity than working hard. shooting a open 15 footer should be EASY for a perimeter player.
at the end of the game, you KNOW if u foul kobe its money. by contrast if u foul lebron its a circus act
LeBron had a chance to get his team within 1 point, and potentially get a game winning opportunity on their next possession. All he had to do was make his free throws.
Anybody can miss a free throw, I understand that. Kobe might have bricked one there. And LeBron certainly isn't a choker, and he didn't "choke" on his free throws.
He didn't miss his free throws last night cuz he choked, he didn't miss it just because people miss free throws once in a while.......he missed them because he sucks ass at shooting free throws and he doesn't give a about it. If he gave a , he'd have improved his free throw shooting back a couple years ago when he first started sucking ass at them. All it takes is practice and concentration, but apparently he's more interested in his "global icon" status than he is in improving a fundamental area of his game.
Not everyone can be Steve Nash at the line, but with LeBron's talent, there's no excuse for him not being able to hover around the 80% range.
but are you guys not arguing who is the best player? Why should ability be discounted in that argument then? I'm sure there is a guy that works harder than Manny at hitting, but Manny is still the best hitter- it doesn't matter. I mean there might be a guy that hits certain pitches better- but Manny is still the best hitter. (This isn't about Manny, I'm just making an argument)
^ im not discrediting his ablilty. hes a freakin stud. but when youre the star perimeter player on your team, rebounds and assists are an added bonus. hes the focal point of that offense. He has to be superior in his ablilties to score. that means, yea hes unstoppable going to the hole but wut happens they they play a hard zone on him. hes gotta make jumpers! look at all the great wingmen in nba history. there were a bunch that could rebound and pass but they ALL shot the ball from the free throw line WHERE NO ONE GUARDS THEM with a high efficiency.
But that is just one aspect of the game. I know Lebron sucks at free throws but you are just taking one game and one aspect of Lebrons game and magnifying it. There is alot of basketball to be played. But if we judged every player on their worth by free throw shooting ability and how many points they score a night, we would be talking about how great Ricky Davis is. Yes Lebron missed some clutch free throws last night- but on most nights he will do things that Kobe doesn't do like grab more boards and dish out more assists.
They are similar players, but they are very different- so it's hard to say who is better. But you are lumping Lebron into being only a scorer- be he really isnt. Like I said, I don't really know who is better, and I don't really care. I would rather have Lebron than Kobe, but that is because he grew up 15 minutes from me. Kobe is a great player, but when you are arguing who is the best player in a sport you can't just look at points or things like that- you have to take the overall game. It's just like in the NFL, someone might say Tom Brady is the best player- but it could very well be a linemen that is the best player in history but the stats do not translate and are not something people can have conversations about
Manny can be the best hitter in baseball while still not being the best overall player. Just like Lebron can be the best at a lot of things but not be the best overall player until he fixes pretty important like his free throws. It's bad enough that team has Ben Wallace.
^ i base it on who you can count on to win games. Dan would you take lebron or kobe with the game tied wit 30 seconds to go in the game.
when 2 players are that close in the convo, i would always go with the guy who can be a dagger in the opponents back with a game winning shot
I know. Like I said, I really don't care who is better to be honest- they are both good, and they have both shown the ability to carry their teams. I was just throwing it out there that where Kobe is a better free throw shooter, Lebron is a better passer- so it should cancel out. If you hold everything else constant, if Lebron has one more assist than Kobe and the game comes down to the end with the Cavs or Lakers down 2- Lebron can miss 2 free throws because he has an assist, and Kobe can make the FT's and the game is tied!
I'd take Kobe- HOWEVER, I would take Lebron the rest of the night to give me the scoring AND assists to get the game to the point where the game is tied w/ 30 seconds. That is what I'm saying, I'm saying that the game isn't the final 30 seconds every night- they play 4 quarters
not to change the subject a whole lot, but how hot is this chick?
Yo Mono you are spot on, I've seen so many of Lebron's games where this guy just simply can't hit his fts. If Lebron wants to be up there with Jordan and Kobe and the other greats he better get to the gym and work really hard on his fts and his jumpshooting. Because once your opponents know you have a weakness they will surely expoit it. Thats my two cents.
^ valid point but actually the game IS the last 6 minutes of the game. when 2 evenly matched teams go at it, its usually played with lead changes all throughout the game with it being close in the final 5-6 minutes. Thats when the game tightens down and pretty much becomes a 5 minute game to close it out. thats when the "best" player should shine and i would put my money on kobe more than any other player in the league.
Its like this, are the phillies good this year cuz of cole hamels (lebron) or brad lidge (kobe). hamels is an awesome SP but lidge hasnt blown a save all year.
i just hope we dont see hack a lebron in the future.
but Lidge can't get a save without good starting pitching
he is a 73% FT shooter- it's not bad enough for a hack a Lebron
right, without GOOD starting pitching. a GOOD team will keep the score close til the last 5 minutes and after that i want brad lidge and not jonathon broxton
His fts aren't that bad but what concerns me is his jumpshooting. He doesn't really have a good jumper but once in a while he can heat up. What really bails Lebron out is his strength and athleticism, if opponents try to force him to shoot he won't settle and he'll go right through the defense and serve up a facial. But after some years he won't have that strength to do that anymore which is why he needs to develop his jumper now so he can have something else to rely on.
lebron ft's arent too bad yes. but i cant remember one time he sank them in clutch situations. im sure there were but I just dont remember. if i had a talker like arenas or reggie miller on my team, i would foul lebron when im up by 3 with 15 seconds left EVERY time. have they talk trash before lebron shoots.
I guess you're right about the first game. But, come on mang, make soem damn FT's
He has sunk them a couple times to win games or atleast keep the Cavs in the game. Last night was the 2nd time I remember when he missed them to literally take them out of the game- the other was he needed to make 2 against the Lakers in 2005 to send the game into OT and he missed one. I remember it was in LA. I remember him sinking 2 with under a second left last year to beat the Wizards (I think). I mean as a Cavs fan it sucks when he misses them, but then I remember that without him they wouldn't even be in that situation in the first place and also there were several other shots they could have made earlier in the game. I know everyone focuses on the free throws at the end, but there were other free throws missed in the other 3 quarters that were equally important and it wasn't just Lebron missing them.
Seems Lakerfan is still a bit mad about Ray's layup over Sasha
I agree love watching Bron ...but a few things many posters have gotten wrong ...
1. He said GIVE ME THAT ! not GET THAT OUTTA HERE
2. I post on LG and i dont say he is the GOAT(kobe) but he is the best in the game right NOW still if you watched the Freethrows and jumpers missed late in that SAME GAME by Lebron ...you would realize the truth Kobe still better
Physically LBJ is a freak, a beast but to get to Kobe and eventually MJ he has to hit jumpers and FT's late ...
3. I do think he will and if healthy may go down as the new GOAT even over JOrdan
I think LeBron has more ability and natural talent than Kobe. I even think he's a better player at this point. I said as much in this thread. But, you know damn well than an argument for Kobe being better is not just free throw shooting.
Kobe still has the the edge in perimeter man-to-man defense, overall jump shooting ability, from midrange to long range, and the trump card could arguably still be his mental toughness and killer instinct. No way is LeBron the assassin Kobe is.
I like LeBron as the better talent. Kobe is still a straight killer though. And, it's not just about free throw shooting ability.
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