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    Pretty hard to use the cashola when you're dead.
    They didn't tell 'em that part. Remember, these are evildoers doing this.


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    They didn't tell 'em that part. Remember, these are evildoers doing this.



    So, the hijackers thought they would survive a 500 mph crash into a building? Man, they are dumb.

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    Between 9:45 and 9:55, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld consulted. The operation was over, so they had to shoot FL93 down before it got back to NYC to hit WTC 7.
    It wasn't flying to NYC.

    There is no evidence of a shootdown.

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    Covering what up?
    Something.

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    So, the hijackers thought they would survive a 500 mph crash into a building? Man, they are dumb.
    No, they thought they were going to Cuba. The planes were remote controlled into the towers. The hijackers were ty pilots anyway.

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    No, they thought they were going to Cuba.
    Why would Arabs hijack a plane to Cuba?

    The planes were remote controlled into the towers. The hijackers were ty pilots anyway.
    You don't have to be a good pilot to crash a plane.

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    It wasn't flying to NYC.

    There is no evidence of a shootdown.
    There's a lot of evidence. For one thing, the plane broke up at high al ude.

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    Why would Arabs hijack a plane to Cuba?

    You don't have to be a good pilot to crash a plane.
    Maybe at the WTC, but not the Pentagon. That required super-expert skill.

    People go to Cuba to live out their days on the beach, drinking Pina Colada's and banging cheap native women. That fits in with the Atta playboy lifestyle.

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    There's a lot of evidence. For one thing, the plane broke up at high al ude.
    Except it didn't. It hit a field at a fairly steep angle.

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    Galileo must be a penguin.


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    Except it didn't. It hit a field at a fairly steep angle.
    Wrong. The debris was found over several square miles.

    The first hijacking was reported at 8:15.

    You don't think the military could track down a giant airliner by 10?

    Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld decided to shoot the last plane down at about 9:50.

    The plane was hit at 9:58.

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    Maybe at the WTC, but not the Pentagon. That required super-expert skill.
    Not at all.

    People go to Cuba to live out their days on the beach, drinking Pina Colada's and banging cheap native women. That fits in with the Atta playboy lifestyle.
    That wasn't Atta. All this has been debunked long ago.

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    Wrong. The debris was found over several square miles.
    Because it hit the ground at 563 mph.

    The first hijacking was reported at 8:15.

    You don't think the military could track down a giant airliner by 10?
    Considering the military wasn't notified of the hijackings until after the crashes and the general confusion of the day, no.

    Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld decided to shoot the last plane down at about 9:50.
    Except they didn't. All three were surrounded by many people who heard no such thing.

    The plane was hit at 9:58.
    No, it was flown into the ground at 10:03.

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    Not at all.

    That wasn't Atta. All this has been debunked long ago.
    Pilot who flew 2 planes used on 9/11 doesn't believe official story

    Former Air Force fighter pilot Russ Wittenberg, who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam, sat in the pit for Pan Am and United for over 30 years, and previously flew two of the actual airplanes that were allegedly hijacked on 9/11 (United Airlines Flight 175 & 93), does not believe the government's official 9/11 conspiracy theory... RUSS WITTENBERG: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11... Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for... a so-called terrorist to train on a 172, then jump in a pit of a 757-767 class pit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns,.. pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's... I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ttenburg&hl=en

    THE SECRET WORLD OF MOHAMED ATTA

    An exclusive 19-minute video interview with Amanda Keller, Mohamed Attaâ s erstwhile American girlfriend, refuting sworn testimony given by a Pentagon official last week at the Able Danger hearing, who said the U.S. had not identified Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11. The interview makes it clear that the hijackers werenâ t hidingâ not even in plain sightâ before the attack. The only thing hiding has been the major media, which has refused to report honestly the true story of the terrorists who lived in our midst. Atta drank,did cocaine, and partied in KeyWest, all dubious actvities for an Islamic fundamentalist...but not for a drug smuggler... During the same month Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi arrived at his Venice, FL flight school, the flight school ownerâ s Lear jet was seized by DEA agents who found 43 pounds of heroin aboard. Heroin comes from Afghanistan, doesn't it? And before 9.11 Osama Bin Laden RAN Afghanistan. So who was he trading with in the U.S.?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...a+keller&hl=en

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    In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after.

    "It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."


    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb.../1007/BUSINESS

    Like I said. Debunked long ago.

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    Because it hit the ground at 563 mph.

    Considering the military wasn't notified of the hijackings until after the crashes and the general confusion of the day, no.

    Except they didn't. All three were surrounded by many people who heard no such thing.

    No, it was flown into the ground at 10:03.
    Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are not accounted for between 9:45 and 9:55:

    9/11 Commission Deception, Cheney's Actions on 9/11, and Why He Should Testify Under Oath
    by Peter Dale Scott
    http://journalof911studies.com/volum...ustTestify.pdf

    No phone calls on FL93 were attempted after 9:58, or lasted beyond 9:58.

    (except the calls of Todd Beamer and Jeremy Glick, which lasted until 10:43 and 11:43. These two calls were fake, the rest were real.)

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    In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after.

    "It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."


    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb.../1007/BUSINESS

    Like I said. Debunked long ago.
    This is just a second hand reprt, not admissible evidence. Keller is obviously NOT lying on the video. You obviously have not watched it.

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    Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are not accounted for between 9:45 and 9:55:
    Sure they are.

    No phone calls on FL93 were attempted after 9:58, or lasted beyond 9:58.
    Because the passengers were trying to break into the pit. Forgive them, they were a little too busy to talk to you.

    (except the calls of Todd Beamer and Jeremy Glick, which lasted until 10:43 and 11:43. These two calls were fake, the rest were real.)
    Quit making up stuff.

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    This is just a second hand reprt, not admissible evidence. Keller is obviously NOT lying on the video. You obviously have not watched it.
    I have watched it and Keller said she lied first hand.

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    You don't have to be a good pilot to crash a plane.
    Ask John McCain

    Zinger!

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    Sure they are.

    Because the passengers were trying to break into the pit. Forgive them, they were a little too busy to talk to you.

    Quit making up stuff.
    15 phone call factoids that contradict the official government conspiracy theory

    [please note that these were all AIRPHONE CALLS, not cell phone calls, except CeeCee Lyle's unconnected call from FL93]

    1) Betty Ong and Madeline Sweeney on FL11 said there were 4 hijackers, not 5. Both gave the "wrong" seat numbers for the hijackers.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e... y=betty_ong

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e..._amy_)_sweeney

    2) Mark Bingham on FL93 said there were 3 hijackers, not 4.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...bingham&printe...

    3) Renee May on FL77 said there were 6 hijackers, not 5.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...archive/2004/0...

    4) Most of Ong's phone call recording is missing.

    5) Ong and/or Sweeney gave specific information that the hijackers had guns (which contradicts the "boxcutters" theory). They even gave the exact seat number of the shooter and the shoo-tee.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/c...3passengerdead

    6) Tom Burnett on FL93 said the hijackers had guns.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...=deena_burnett

    7) Todd Beamer's call on FL93 lasted until 10:48 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Beamer's call, Lisa Jefferson, heard no screaming or crashing noises.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/e...alldetail.html

    8) Jeremy Glick's call on FL93 lasted until 11:43 AM, long after the plane was shot down/crashed. The person who took Glick's call, Joanne Makely, heard no screaming or crashing noises.

    9) No call on FL93 was attempted after 9:53 (Honor Waino's), except unconnected calls by Edward Felt and CeeCee Lyles at 9:58. No call (besides Beamer's and Glick's) lasted beyond 9:58, when the Sandy Bradshaw and Waino calls ended. The plane supposedly crashed at 10:03 or 10:06.

    10) Ted Olson on FL77 lied, he never got a phone call from Barbara Olson.

    11) Call recordings are missing for calls by Beamer (FL93), Bradshaw (FL93), and Sweeney (FL11).

    12) Five "unknown" calls were made from FL77 to unknown numbers.

    13) A 95-second "unknown" call was made from FL93 and the recording is missing.

    14) The recording of 2 calls on FL175 are missing.

    15) Sweeny on FL11 gave the "wrong" time for the pit takeover. She said it happened no earlier than 8:22, but communication with FL11 was supposedly lost at 8:15.

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...1=aa11&timelin...

    Conclusions

    1) The hijackers had guns. We don't know exactly who they were, were they were seated, or how many there were.

    2) Missing recordings indicate that most of the calls contained information which contradicts the official conspiracy theory.

    3) The most heavily promoted calls are most likely to be suspect, and the least promoted calls are most likely to be genuine.

    Air Traffic Controller Andy Kornkven (who was mysteriously NOT scheduled to work on 9/11), has some good analysis of the phone calls on his blog:

    andrewkornkven's blog
    http://www.911blogger.com/blog/253

    http://www.911blogger.com/node/16015#comment-189325

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    I have watched it and Keller said she lied first hand.
    You lied, not Keller.

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    Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld decided to shoot the last plane down at about 9:50.
    I'm sure you have plenty of evidence to back this up . . .

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    You lied, not Keller.
    Keller lied and admitted it.

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    I'm sure you have plenty of evidence to back this up . . .
    Peer reviewd paper proves it:

    9/11 Commission Deception, Cheney’s Actions on 9/11, and Why He Should Testify Under Oath
    Prof. Peter Dale Scott
    http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

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