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    Conservatives talking about balanced budgets and small govt is a huge reason why they have no credibility at this point, after the Repugs they put in office in to 2000 have so thoroughly raped govt, most often to the $advantage of the conservatives.
    Bush was a bad leader and despite being elected as a Republican was a liberal by definition ad action.

    Conservatism is still a great core idea, too bad there's few in D.C. that practice it these days.

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    QFT.

    Seriously, how can any of you lib s that have watched our government operate over your lifetime think that Obama's solution of more government involvement in anything is a good thing for us?

    And don't give me 'it was great until W. got elected', that's bull . The government's been growing steadily since the end of WW2, and that's a bad thing.

    More bureaucracy isn't the answer today, it never has been. Yet Obama wants to have the government oversee damn near everything. that.
    Im sure you'll label me a lib or some such, but pray tell, exactly what government programs do you propose cutting?

    Moreover, in exactly which way is McCain different than Obama in this case?

    Lastly, do you consider yourself a charitable person (or more specifically a good Christian)?

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    QFT.

    Seriously, how can any of you lib s that have watched our government operate over your lifetime think that Obama's solution of more government involvement in anything is a good thing for us?

    And don't give me 'it was great until W. got elected', that's bull . The government's been growing steadily since the end of WW2, and that's a bad thing.

    How is increasing the rate on the highest earners from 36% to 39% socialism?

    36% = capitalism
    39% = socialism

    Explain to me how that works.


    More bureaucracy isn't the answer today, it never has been. Yet Obama wants to have the government oversee damn near everything. that.
    Can you explain to me how lack of oversight of the credit default swap market was a good thing?

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    Read their platform - it stresses individual rights over any kind of government control. Basically, you're your own man and responsible for your successes for failures.

    http://www.lp.org/platform

    There's not much in there that I don't agree with. Paul is about as close to a libertarian as you can get, but his stance on foreign policy in particular doesn't jive with mine or really the libertarian ideal.

    Basically, it's the only party platform that I see that really stresses the idea that people are responsible for their own lives and what they make of it, instead of the liberal dogma that government should be the great provider.

    In short, it's the only party that seems to actually remember the fact we have a Cons ution in this country and appears to have any sense of what that Cons ution actually says or guarantees.

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    Bush was a bad leader and despite being elected as a Republican was a liberal by definition ad action.
    No, Bush is a true Republican by definition...an idiot, a moron, a liar, a big spender, a hypocrite, a clueless up. Big spending is becoming the trend for "conservatives".

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    How is increasing the rate on the highest earners from 36% to 39% socialism?

    36% = capitalism
    39% = socialism

    Explain to me how that works.
    It's not about the tax rates that you cite. It's about giving people who don't pay any income taxes a check by increasing taxes on those who do.

    Windfall profit taxes on oil that Obama wants, universal health care, I'm about of time here at lunch but those are more salient than your 3% tax bump.

    Can you explain to me how lack of oversight of the credit default swap market was a good thing?
    The facilities for the oversight were in place, but the idiots in charge were bribed off. Tell me how more 'oversight' is going to solve anything when the people who were on watch when that went down (Chris Dodd and Barnie Frank) were bought off by a preferred mortgage loan from Countrywide and an exec who liked to play butt darts with Frank, respectively, and in the aftermath neither is being held responsible but instead getting off scot free by blaming it all on Bush.

    Where the do you see any of that changing with any more insight? The only way it won't is if laws are put in place that sentence those in charge of oversight to lifetime prison sentences, but the assholes in D.C. would never do that to themselves.

    , Ken Lay was villified for Enron, and what he did doesn't hold a candle to what those SOBs on Wall Street did and what those SOBs in D.C. let them get away with, and yet no one's ass is being held accountable for it, just all tagged on to Bush's list of failures.

    ing bull .

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    No, Bush is a true Republican by definition...an idiot, a moron, a liar, a big spender, a hypocrite, a clueless up. Big spending is becoming the trend for "conservatives".
    You have no idea what a conservative is, and neither do people like Bush.

    They are RINOs (republican in name only).

    Classic that you're trying to assert that all Republicans are idiots, morons, and liars, whatever. I don't know why I'm trying to reason with a dumb like you who is that jaded.

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    Bush was a bad leader and despite being elected as a Republican was a liberal by definition ad action.

    Conservatism is still a great core idea, too bad there's few in D.C. that practice it these days.

    Now thats QFT.

    McCain is no damn different than Obama....only McCain actually wants to buy another $300 billion in actual mortgages.

    Move now, is my point. You dont want socialism, watered down definition or otherwise? Too bad, my man. Your Party of Red is playing this game as well.

    How does that make you feel? To know how doggedly you defended the Republican party for all these years, becoming indignant at any who disagreed, only to find out your party turned its back on you before you could do the same.

    Thats why you dont follow partisan politics, theyre all crooks and thieves and they'd just as soon you and your red state daughter over as they would any blue state hippy.

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    We need to find some thread in 2004 for all those posters who praised BushCo then and now throwing BushCo under the bus.

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    We need to find some thread in 2004 for all those posters who praised BushCo then and now throwing BushCo under the bus.
    Yeah, boy I have a feeling that would be a long list of some arrogant peeps gloating about the virtues of Dubya, even after 4 years of judgement to stand on.

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    Yeah, boy I have a feeling that would be a long list of some arrogant peeps gloating about the virtues of Dubya, even after 4 years of judgement to stand on.
    it will probably be really -- -really similar to that list that we can do in 2012 on Obama. Don't fool yourself - Both parties are guilty of the same sins.

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    it will probably be really -- -really similar to that list that we can do in 2012 on Obama. Don't fool yourself - Both parties are guilty of the same sins.
    The difference is we already had 4 years under Bush to know that he was just another moron Republican but you stupid fools and the bible belt idiots propped him up once again in 2004 and re-elected him anyway.

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    The difference is we already had 4 years under Bush to know that he was just another moron Republican but you stupid fools and the bible belt idiots propped him up once again in 2004 and re-elected him anyway.
    is that bigoted hate speech ?

    We already had FDR, WIlson - and 4 years of Carter to know how it will be like under Obama .... as he attempts to move us towards the U.S.A.S.R.

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    Demonize capitalism, expand government.

    Yes we Can. God bless the Americants.

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    is that bigoted hate speech ?
    No, that's honesty. Bush had the bible belt idiots in his back pocket and he knew it. All he had to do was spout his fake "morals" and "values" garbage and the bible belt would come running like sheep

    That's why McCain is losing this election. He hasn't kissed the religious right's ass enough.

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    How is increasing the rate on the highest earners from 36% to 39% socialism?

    36% = capitalism
    39% = socialism

    Explain to me how that works.
    http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/29/news...lans/index.htm

    Check the table on the right.

    Anyone care to explain how under McCain anyone making over $2.9 mill would pay half a mill less than currently, while with Obama theyd pay $600k+ more than current?

    That doesnt sound as easy as going from 36% to 39%.

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    http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/29/news...lans/index.htm

    Check the table on the right.

    Anyone care to explain how under McCain anyone making over $2.9 mill would pay half a mill less than currently, while with Obama theyd pay $600k+ more than current?

    That doesnt sound as easy as going from 36% to 39%.
    I would assume taking averages skews that.

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    Board Republicans have lost it.

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