Late calls favoring Blazers

[DPG21920]

There are billions of dollars at stake in the NBA. Every penny of it comes from the fans either directly or indirectly.

NBA referees have proven themselves to be criminal, biased, selfish, and incompetent on many occasions. Obviously no referee will ever be 100% perfect, but these guys, and this league, aren't even close.

Every NBA fan has the right, and possibly even the obligation, to hold the referees and the NBA as a whole accountable for their actions.

I myself am sick of the league's and some ignorant and lazy fans' casual acceptance of fouls/rules/interpetations being applied differently for star players, star teams, home teams, end of the game, playoff games, rookies, etc.

I am also sick of the much-loved ref-apologist theory "It's not the ref's fault - we should have played good enough to win (and beat the refs) and then bad calls don't matter". While this might be the frame of mind you want your players to have, it is complete bull as a logical argument, and there is absolutely no reason for anyone outside the team to wallow in that feces, or use it as some sort of false moral high-ground to "preach" to those who know better.

So if you don't want to hear fans about bad calls then crawl back in your hole and pretend it doesn't happen. And don't read threads with les such as "Late calls favoring Blazers". No one needs you to be their censor.

this is your original paragraph. it sucks, but i am done with you. you are well within your rights as a fan to about the officiating, but you are bringing nothing to the site in doing so.

[zepn]

Every team has stars.

Well of course they do Mary-Lou! And all people are created equal, and the world is a happy place, full of sunshine and rainbows and unicorns...

Once again, you really should read the ENTIRE sentence: "If your team has a "Star" player that gets more calls than he should, your team will have an advantage."

In addition not all "Stars" will get the same number of calls. And no, it will not "even-out".

[zepn]

this is your original paragraph. it sucks, but i am done with you. you are well within your rights as a fan to about the officiating, but you are bringing nothing to the site in doing so.

"it sucks" translation: "Wish I had paid attention in school..."

It's a damn good post (not a paragraph), and you haven't been able to refute a single bit of it, because it is well thought-out and true. But you're done with me, which is unfortunate because you might have learned something. Cheers.

[Obstructed_View]

So I've kind of noticed something in the games I've watched this year, and I want to see if anyone else has noticed it too...

Do you get the feeling that the officials are giving calls to the road teams, even questionable or ticky-tack calls? It's gotten to the point where it seems deliberate. I don't know how to look up stats like that, but if someone could compare the small number of games so far this year with the ones last year (when everyone in the media was complaining that NBA refs too heavily favored the home team) I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Fabbs]

There are billions of dollars at stake in the NBA. Every penny of it comes from the fans either directly or indirectly.

NBA referees have proven themselves to be criminal, biased, selfish, and incompetent on many occasions. Obviously no referee will ever be 100% perfect, but these guys, and this league, aren't even close.

Every NBA fan has the right, and possibly even the obligation, to hold the referees and the NBA as a whole accountable for their actions.

I myself am sick of the league's and some ignorant and lazy fans' casual acceptance of fouls/rules/interpetations being applied differently for star players, star teams, home teams, end of the game, playoff games, rookies, etc.

I am also sick of the much-loved ref-apologist theory "It's not the ref's fault - we should have played good enough to win (and beat the refs) and then bad calls don't matter". While this might be the frame of mind you want your players to have, it is complete bull as a logical argument, and there is absolutely no reason for anyone outside the team to wallow in that feces, or use it as some sort of false moral high-ground to "preach" to those who know better.

So if you don't want to hear fans about bad calls then crawl back in your hole and pretend it doesn't happen. And don't read threads with les such as "Late calls favoring Blazers". No one needs you to be their censor.

Exactly. And you've gone on to ass-own DPG. I think he must be 10 years old.

No Obtructed Brain we did not see the Spurs get favored last night.

[Obstructed_View]

No Obtructed Brain we did not see the Spurs get favored last night.

Well, you're a whining re . I can't imagine you ever saw the Spurs get a call, particularly after a loss, and given your basketball knowledge, I doubt you watch any other games. Thanks for the input, though. Riveting as always.

[rascal]

Why is there a thread started about whining about officials? This is why people hate the Spurs and their fans. Cry babies.

Exactly. You can analyze any game and find a number of calls you won't like.

[samikeyp]

Why is there a thread started about whining about officials? This is why people hate the Spurs and their fans. Cry babies.

Because some people just like to .

Some people just can't believe that their favorite team, whomever it may be, can actually lose a game. It has to be some outside forces at work against the team of their choice.

[samikeyp]

The Spurs are off to an 0-2 start, I don't think we have seen more than the usual level of people freaking out.

[Obstructed_View]

Because some people just like to .

Some people just can't believe that their favorite team, whomever it may be, can actually lose a game. It has to be some outside forces at work against the team of their choice.

It's also easy to remember the calls that hurt your team and to forget the calls that help your team. If a call hurts your team, you're probably more likely to think it shouldn't have been called, and if it helps, you probably are more likely to be able to justify it.

[samikeyp]

It's also easy to remember the calls that hurt your team and to forget the calls that help your team. If a call hurts your team, you're probably more likely to think it shouldn't have been called, and if it helps, you probably are more likely to be able to justify it.

Agreed, but sometimes a loss is solely the team's fault and some just do not wish to see that. Plus some folks just like to complain.

[samikeyp]

No, I think poor officiating sucks. I just won't ever believe that poor officiating changes the outcome of games. I agree that there were bad calls last night -- and I'll agree that the bad calls probably went disproportionately in favor of the Blazers. But I don't think the fact of the bad calls changed the outcome of the game; I don't think missed calls ever change the outcome of a game because there are too many variables over the course of 48 minutes. In last night's example, the Spurs' inability to corrall offensive boards gave the Blazers a bunch of 2nd chance opportunities, many of which they converted. The Spurs also turned it over almost twice as much as the Blazers did last night, and the Blazers converted those into a +13 in points off of turnovers.

The officiating might have been bad, but I'd argue that the inability to grab boards and take care of the ball were what cost the Spurs.

I tend to believe as FWD does on this one but I don't begrudge zepn for his views. Just because I have a particular opinion on a subject or a certain way I feel doesn't mean others have to or should and I would never be so rude or arrogant as to try and convert someone to my way of thinking. I don't agree with zepn but I am glad we all have a place like ST to voice how we feel.

[Obstructed_View]

Agreed, but sometimes a loss is solely the team's fault and some just do not wish to see that. Plus some folks just like to complain.

Like when they give up a thousand offensive rebounds and two quarter ending buzzer beaters?

[samikeyp]

Like when they give up a thousand offensive rebounds and two quarter ending buzzer beaters?

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

I don't believe in conspiracy theories but that is a personal opinion and not a suggested course of action. I do get fans frustrations about the refs. There are times that you are watching your team and it just seems that they can't catch a break. We all want our team to succeed. I always laugh though on this board when some members of one fan base complain about the refs and get called "whiners" by those of the opposing fan base that night. Then those fans who called folks whiners start whining about calls when things don't go their teams way. The 2006 playoffs come to mind.

[Fabbs]

Well, you're a whining re . I can't imagine you ever saw the Spurs get a call, particularly after a loss, and given your basketball knowledge, I doubt you watch any other games. Thanks for the input, though. Riveting as always.

Thank you for trolling in.
A sheep like you is a dream come true for Stern and the lets-sweep-the-Donaghy-thing under the rug.

[zepn]

So this is not some sort of put-on? You people truly believe that a ref has never made a call that has decided a game. For real? Or is it that you just won't allow yourself to believe it because that would devastate your basketball world?

Please note that I have not said "the Spurs got screwed" on this thread. And that I have said bad officiating is bad regardless of the team getting screwed, or even if they are both getting screwed for that matter.

But to deny bad officiating even exists is like denying the holocaust. We have do entary footage of both events people... wake up.

[zepn]

I would never be so rude or arrogant as to try and convert someone to my way of thinking.

I know what you mean. Like those people that go on a thread called something like, oh, "Late calls favoring Blazers" and tell people to "shut-up and stop whining about the refs", and "this thread sucks", and "your post sucks". Yeah that is pretty rude and arrogant isn't it?

I have seen quite a few posters on ST cop a holier-than-thou at ude on this issue and it's complete bull . Refs screw-up: Fact. Games have been decided by refs screwing-up: Fact. If you people choose to ignore it, fine. Just realize that you have made that choice, and don't even pretend to be "right" or morally "better" when in reality you just don't WANT to know the truth.

[DPG21920]

So this is not some sort of put-on? You people truly believe that a ref has never made a call that has decided a game. For real? Or is it that you just won't allow yourself to believe it because that would devastate your basketball world?

Please note that I have not said "the Spurs got screwed" on this thread. And that I have said bad officiating is bad regardless of the team getting screwed, or even if they are both getting screwed for that matter.

But to deny bad officiating even exists is like denying the holocaust. We have do entary footage of both events people... wake up.

No one is denying that there is bad calls. No one is denying that a few calls have heavily influenced a game. What everyone is saying is if you decide under your own free will to watch basketball, you do so acknowledging the human element of the game. You watch knowing that both teams will have some good calls and some bad. Over the course of a season they go both ways. As stated before, calls do not "lose" people games. They are one of many factors and usually wayyyyy less important than the others, except on the few occasions where they are so bad that it overrides all of the good calls. We all know that bad calls linger in peoples minds longer than a good call (which there are a lot more of).

So if you decide to watch basketball believing that there are refs that severely influence games you are 1) not very smart for watching a game in which you do not think the players control the outcome 2) annoying for complaining about it after every damn loss 3) not really beneficial to the site because you bring no insight or basketball knowledge at all and only get responses because people like to point out how sad you are.

If it is that bad, do not watch. But please spare the rest of us your whiny antics or at least save it for a well deserved time.

[DPG21920]

There are billions of dollars at stake in the NBA. Every penny of it comes from the fans either directly or indirectly.

NBA referees have proven themselves to be criminal, biased, selfish, and incompetent on many occasions. Obviously no referee will ever be 100% perfect, but these guys, and this league, aren't even close.

Every NBA fan has the right, and possibly even the obligation, to hold the referees and the NBA as a whole accountable for their actions.

I myself am sick of the league's and some ignorant and lazy fans' casual acceptance of fouls/rules/interpetations being applied differently for star players, star teams, home teams, end of the game, playoff games, rookies, etc.

I am also sick of the much-loved ref-apologist theory "It's not the ref's fault - we should have played good enough to win (and beat the refs) and then bad calls don't matter". While this might be the frame of mind you want your players to have, it is complete bull as a logical argument, and there is absolutely no reason for anyone outside the team to wallow in that feces, or use it as some sort of false moral high-ground to "preach" to those who know better.

So if you don't want to hear fans about bad calls then crawl back in your hole and pretend it doesn't happen. And don't read threads with les such as "Late calls favoring Blazers". No one needs you to be their censor.

Referees change the outcomes of games all the time. You can play woulda/coulda/shoulda with your favorite team's performance all you want, but one call is OFTEN the difference between a win and a loss.

But if your mind is so closed that you won't EVER believe that poor officiating changes the outcome of games, then there is no point in even discussing it with you.

You must be a genius.

Here is my entire statement:
"NBA referees have proven themselves to be criminal, biased, selfish, and incompetent on many occasions. Obviously no referee will ever be 100% perfect, but these guys, and this league, aren't even close."

It is not 1) long-winded, 2) stupid, 3) a paragraph, 4) broad-sweeping, 5) an assumption.

The only thing you have "disproved" is your intelligence with your failure to understand that the plural "referees" relates to the plural "criminal, biased, selfish, and incompetent on many occasions".

Your faulty logic would also require that no other official had EVER committed ANY other criminal act.

"it sucks" translation: "Wish I had paid attention in school..."

It's a damn good post (not a paragraph), and you haven't been able to refute a single bit of it, because it is well thought-out and true. But you're done with me, which is unfortunate because you might have learned something. Cheers.

I know what you mean. Like those people that go on a thread called something like, oh, "Late calls favoring Blazers" and tell people to "shut-up and stop whining about the refs", and "this thread sucks", and "your post sucks". Yeah that is pretty rude and arrogant isn't it?

I have seen quite a few posters on ST cop a holier-than-thou at ude on this issue and it's complete bull . Refs screw-up: Fact. Games have been decided by refs screwing-up: Fact. If you people choose to ignore it, fine. Just realize that you have made that choice, and don't even pretend to be "right" or morally "better" when in reality you just don't WANT to know the truth.

Ahhh, a beacon of humility and humbleness. An example of how to behave and talk to people. It is refreshing.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. And you've gone on to ass-own DPG. I think he must be 10 years old.

No Obtructed Brain we did not see the Spurs get favored last night.

Ass-own? I guess so since the majority of people agree.

Well, you're a whining re . I can't imagine you ever saw the Spurs get a call, particularly after a loss, and given your basketball knowledge, I doubt you watch any other games. Thanks for the input, though. Riveting as always.

Exactly. You can analyze any game and find a number of calls you won't like.

Because some people just like to .

Some people just can't believe that their favorite team, whomever it may be, can actually lose a game. It has to be some outside forces at work against the team of their choice.

The Spurs are off to an 0-2 start, I don't think we have seen more than the usual level of people freaking out.

It's also easy to remember the calls that hurt your team and to forget the calls that help your team. If a call hurts your team, you're probably more likely to think it shouldn't have been called, and if it helps, you probably are more likely to be able to justify it.

Agreed, but sometimes a loss is solely the team's fault and some just do not wish to see that. Plus some folks just like to complain.

Like when they give up a thousand offensive rebounds and two quarter ending buzzer beaters?

[zepn]

Ahhh, a beacon of humility and humbleness. An example of how to behave and talk to people. It is refreshing.

I never claimed to be a beacon of humility and humbleness, and indeed I am not, but you're the head that came on a thread called "Late calls favoring Blazers" and then ed about people ing about the refs. What the did you think you were going to find, genius?

[DPG21920]

I never claimed to be a beacon of humility and humbleness, and indeed I am not, but you're the head that came on a thread called "Late calls favoring Blazers" and then ed about people ing about the refs. What the did you think you were going to find, genius?

What education have you achieved that allows you to decide who is a genius?

By your logic, any thread that is started is open for posts by whomever has an opinion on the subject; good or bad.

So if I started a thread that said "No whiny basketball mental midgets allowed" you would not post?

[DPG21920]

I never claimed to be a beacon of humility and humbleness, and indeed I am not, but you're the head that came on a thread called "Late calls favoring Blazers" and then ed about people ing about the refs. What the did you think you were going to find, genius?

[zepn]

Ass-own?

Pretty much. You should have quit while you were behind.

[LakerHater]

Why is there a thread started about whining about officials? This is why people hate the Spurs and their fans. Cry babies.

Thank You! It's only game 2!!
...And the whinin has started...
C'mon!