spurs shoulda taken batum?

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Remind me. How many games have Scola and Splitter played for the Spurs?

11 minutes less than Oden for the Blazers

[Anti.Hero]

ha. There are no young athletic bigs allowed on this team.

Refer to chapter 6c section 9.3

[tlongII]

Given that you've doomed George Hill to being a NBA washout due to his performance in summer league, how is it you come to the conclusion that Gist sucks when he was really good in summer league?

If Gist is good then why don't you explain why the Spurs didn't sign him?

[Tully365]

11 minutes less than Oden for the Blazers

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How is Hill a proven scorer? He played for IUPUI. You can't prove anything playing in that podunk league. Based on summer league I'd say he's a proven non-scorer.

Based on summer league play I'd say Batum sucks.

[tlongII]

Based on ummer league play I'd say Batum sucks.

I'm sorry. I forgot how much Hill is tearing it up in the regular season so far.

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I'm sorry. I forgot how much Hill is tearing it up in the regular season so far.

How's Oden doing?

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If Gist is good then why don't you explain why the Spurs didn't sign him?

I've said that the reason I think he wasn't invited to camp is because Pop fell in love with Tolliver when he made those threes in summer league, and then went home and pasted Tolliver's face on the Robert Horry pillow that he humps every night before he goes to sleep. He didn't want anyone outplaying Tolliver in camp and making it hard to cut Gist, so he sent him to Europe. That's a little outlandish, but it makes more sense than just throwing the term "he sucks" around despite all evidence to the contrary. There's a chance that Pop has degenerated into the smallball mentality and just doesn't see that the Spurs have any need at forward once everyone comes back healthy.

And unless I'm mistaken, the Spurs own Gist's rights for two years.

But if Mahinmi sucks too, then how did Gist not even get a camp invitation given the Spurs' dire need at forward?

[Tully365]

Losing out on Splitter was the result of a ed-up NBA technicality, and the Spurs' mistaken impression that Splitter was going to give up millions of dollars just to keep his word to the team. The Spurs should have known the rules before they picked him at that spot. I have a whole lot more problem with that pick than I do taking Hill earlier than he was projected, particularly if he's one of the players they wanted. At this point I'd be really happy with Batum if the Spurs had jumped up and gotten him, even if people were saying they reached to get him.

Hard to say-- just a few months ago, the Euro was kicking the Dollar's ass, but now we are all probably headed for a global recession and many euroteams may regret their recent expenditures.

I still don't understand the Gist move. i've researched it, and can't find out if the move was made primarily by Gist & his agent to make more money, or if it was at the request of the Spurs. I wish he was on the Spurs, for sure. He may be the combo forward to Hill's combo guard that makes the Spurs, along with FA Bosh or Nowitzki, a powerhouse team for another decade.

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I'm sorry. I forgot how much Hill is tearing it up in the regular season so far.

It's like you stick your chin out for an Oden smack just for the fun of it.

[DPG21920]

Hard to say-- just a few months ago, the Euro was kicking the Dollar's ass, but now we are all probably headed for a global recession and many euroteams may regret their recent expenditures.

I still don't understand the Gist move. i've researched it, and can't find out if the move was made primarily by Gist & his agent to make more money, or if it was at the request of the Spurs. I wish he was on the Spurs, for sure. He may be the combo forward to Hill's combo guard that makes the Spurs, along with FA Bosh or Nowitzki, a powerhouse team for another decade.

I could of sworn that it was pre-determined as soon as they drafted him. They knew he was going to Europe before SL even started IIRC

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Hard to say-- just a few months ago, the Euro was kicking the Dollar's ass, but now we are all probably headed for a global recession and many euroteams may regret their recent expenditures.

The strength of the Euro had little to do with Splitter's decision; the Spurs had a rookie pay scale that they were required to stick to and Tau had no such thing. The Spurs couldn't even come close even if the dollar were really strong. I think I remember reading that he made 8 times more money than he could have coming to the NBA. The Spurs could have gotten it in the neighborhood if he'd been picked one spot later.

[toki9]

because Pop fell in love with Tolliver when he made those threes in summer league, and then went home and pasted Tolliver's face on the Robert Horry pillow that he humps every night before he goes to sleep.

Dude, that mental image is-just-so-wrong...thanks a lot...

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I could of sworn that it was pre-determined as soon as they drafted him. They knew he was going to Europe before SL even started IIRC

I don't remember that. He was awfully damn good in summer league. I think his performance merited an invitation to camp, but maybe the timing wouldn't work out.

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Dude, that mental image is-just-so-wrong...thanks a lot...

Sorry, but I needed to vent.

[Tully365]

I could of sworn that it was pre-determined as soon as they drafted him. They knew he was going to Europe before SL even started IIRC

It's possible... I think it's a weird move. Damn it, maybe that sonofa tlong is actually correct about one or two things!

Thanks for ruining my night DPG!

[Spur-Addict]

yea! the spurs should have taken batum. but thats impossible isnt it?

You sir are correct, which makes this thread a joke.

The evidence is the fact that they picked Hill. Why would you pick a backup point guard (and unproven at that) with your first round pick? Especially when the Spurs already have a young star at that position. To me it's blatantly obvious that they panicked.

No player is proven on the NBA level until they do so, if you wish to specify the question further then maybe i'm wrong. But, if we're dealing with the assumption that TLong is making the reference to being proven on the NBA level then i'm correct. If you are somehow linking college success to NBA success then that's a stretch. Some pan out, and some do not. Some who are thought to pan out, do not. Some who are viewed as probably not panning out, pan out. Also, what is defined as panning out varies from person to person.

How's Oden doing?

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No player is proven on the NBA level until they do so, if you wish to specify the question further then maybe i'm wrong. But, if we're dealing with the assumption that TLong is making the reference to being proven on the NBA level then i'm correct. If you are somehow linking college success to NBA success then that's a stretch. Some pan out, and some do not. Some who are thought to pan out, do not. Some who are viewed as probably not panning out, pan out. Also, what is defined as panning out varies from person to person.

And just to clairify Tlong's position: George Hill is unproven, until he played in the summer league, which proves he sucks, and preseason doesn't count so he's unproven. And sucks.

[Spur-Addict]

And just to clairify Tlong's position: George Hill is unproven, until he played in the summer league, which proves he sucks, and preseason doesn't count so he's unproven. And sucks.

---I see. Summer league, I must agree, is the greatest indicator of skill for a potential NBA player. Excuse me, how foolish of me to think otherwise.

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I think Hill will prove to be a solid pick. Too bad Spurs couldn't have bought a pick and landed Batum as well.

Maybe the economic downturn and hard renegotiation on the CBA that will result will end up with a hard cap and Portland will be losing some of their bought talent that they've picked up in the draft, like Fernandez and Batum.

[timvp]

As much potential as Batum showed he had and how perfectly it seems he'd eventually fit into the Spurs system, I'm not sure having Batum this year would have helped the Spurs' chances of winning the championship. If the Spurs had Batum, he'd likely be taking Udoka's minutes. How much better is he than Udoka right now? On top of that, if you take away Hill from the backup PG spot, the Spurs likely would have been stuck with Vaughn again.

Obviously it'd be nice to have Batum in the pipeline but if Udoka steps up, Mason continues to blossom, Bowen regains at least 90% of his usual defensive skill and Ginobili comes back healthy, I don't see where Batum would have gotten his minutes. Hill, if he plays like he did in preseason, can fill a major spot of need.

[tlongII]

As much potential as Batum showed he had and how perfectly it seems he'd eventually fit into the Spurs system, I'm not sure having Batum this year would have helped the Spurs' chances of winning the championship. If the Spurs had Batum, he'd likely be taking Udoka's minutes. How much better is he than Udoka right now? On top of that, if you take away Hill from the backup PG spot, the Spurs likely would have been stuck with Vaughn again.

Obviously it'd be nice to have Batum in the pipeline but if Udoka steps up, Mason continues to blossom, Bowen regains at least 90% of his usual defensive skill and Ginobili comes back healthy, I don't see where Batum would have gotten his minutes. Hill, if he plays like he did in preseason, can fill a major spot of need.

I disagree. At this point it appears the Spurs are stuck with Vaughn this year anyway. I believe Hill would have played at least in the Portland game if Popovich had confidence in him. Udoka and Bowen are too small to effectively defend most 3's in the league.

[timvp]

I disagree. At this point it appears the Spurs are stuck with Vaughn this year anyway. I believe Hill would have played at least in the Portland game if Popovich had confidence in him. Udoka and Bowen are too small to effectively defend most 3's in the league.

Hill is injured.

@ Bowen not being able to defend most small forwards. You haven't watched the last seven years?

[tlongII]

Hill is injured.

@ Bowen not being able to defend most small forwards. You haven't watched the last seven years?

Funny how Hill has been medically cleared since last Monday if he's so injured? I'm sure you're aware that this year's Bowen isn't the same as the last 7 years.

[Blackjack]

As much potential as Batum showed he had and how perfectly it seems he'd eventually fit into the Spurs system, I'm not sure having Batum this year would have helped the Spurs' chances of winning the championship. If the Spurs had Batum, he'd likely be taking Udoka's minutes. How much better is he than Udoka right now? On top of that, if you take away Hill from the backup PG spot, the Spurs likely would have been stuck with Vaughn again.

Obviously it'd be nice to have Batum in the pipeline but if Udoka steps up, Mason continues to blossom, Bowen regains at least 90% of his usual defensive skill and Ginobili comes back healthy, I don't see where Batum would have gotten his minutes. Hill, if he plays like he did in preseason, can fill a major spot of need.

Batum brings size and athleticism on the wing that no player on this team can bring defensively.

I agree that he's more of prospect for down the line, but he probably could have come in useful (in the short-term) for spot minutes or a particular matchup.

I brought it up in another thread, but had things fallen just a little differently? The Spurs could have wound up with Batum and Chalmers/Hill.