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    Free throws could ruin James' legacy
    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8...ames%27-legacy
    by Mike Kahn

    Free throws ... all of it might come down to free throws for LeBron James.

    It might be what prevents the Cleveland Cavaliers star from attaining his dream NBA championship, which may in turn frustrate him enough to actually leave his home state for the bright lights and marketing capital of New York for the Knicks or the Nets.

    You might even toss in an errant 3-pointer or two as part of that misery.

    But coming from somebody who is a native of Cleveland and picked James as the preseason league MVP and who watches the Cavs all the time, the crack in the armor is coming from the free-throw line time and time again. And that, more than being a fan of the Yankees and Cowboys instead of the Indians and Browns, could turn the cheers to boos.

    Sure, it was a little startling to see how the now lighter and more confident Paul Pierce was using and abusing him as the defending champion Boston Celtics were squeezing out a 90-85 victory over the Cavs on opening night following their ring ceremony. There are those who might contend that he should have gotten more help squeezing Pierce, but haven't we heard so much about James' commitment to lockdown defense to close the gap between himself and Kobe Bryant?

    OK, it's one game and Pierce is a superstar scorer. That's worthy of a break.

    That wasn't the problem and everybody who saw it knows it. James missed four of six free throws in the final 6:44 of the game, including twice splitting a pair in the final 11 seconds. Toss in a bad 3-point attempt and there you have it in a game that was tighter than the 5-point difference the final score indicated.

    It happened time and again last season; particularly in his poor shooting from everywhere in the Celtics series — and they still took the Celtics to seven games. If the Cavs and James are going to attain the success they keep approaching, he's going to not only have to be more selective on those 3-pointers, but somehow gain a comfort zone at the free-throw line.

    And at the moment, it just isn't there.

    James is a newer, bigger model of Bryant — who similarly has been cast in that light compared to Michael Jordan — but there is one big difference.

    It isn't defense.

    We're talking about shooting the rock. Suffice to say James doesn't compare to Bryant and Jordan in that regard. Something within the framework of his perimeter shot just isn't there. He has an amazing touch in and around the basket. His shot on the floor and more obviously from the free-throw line continues to be completely dependent on his freakish streaks of rhythm, otherwise he's horribly erratic and undependable.

    He was 4-of-8 from the line in the opening loss and 8-for-12 in the 17-point win over Charlotte in the home opener on Thursday night. To be sure, he's averaging 22 points, 8.0 rebound and 7.5 assists — numbers that are true to All-Star form. But he's also 0-for-6 from 3-point range and 60 percent from the free-throw line, and that won't do.

    That has been his trend over the past two-plus seasons — a premier scorer from the wing shooting a demonstrably sub-par .704 from the line, especially when he's constantly drawing fouls in the fourth quarter. He's also shooting .314 from 3-point range, which is also not what it needs to be.

    Conversely, Bryant is a career free-throw shooter at a shade less than 84 percent, 34 percent from 3-point range and tends to be a lock from the line when it matters most. Jordan, meanwhile, notched .835 on free throws and .327 on 3-point attempts, and those numbers were adversely affected by his two retirements and subsequent comebacks. Nobody will question his response to crunch time.

    So that's where we are at the moment with James. For all this scrutiny, he's an amazing talent who has surpassed expectations in a lot of ways, leading the Cavs to their first Eastern Conference le in history in 2007. He's already provided everyone countless breathtaking moments of individual moves or taking over games in the most unlikely fashion ... all before his 24th birthday coming in December.

    The errant 3-point shots will come and go, which may become a little less frequent this season with the addition of smooth-shooting point guard Mo Williams, a healthy Daniel Gibson and hot-shooting Wally Szczerbiak at least until they likely trade him by mid-season.

    Defenses will continue to trap James, deny him the ball and complain to officials that he's pushing off constantly, and if he really is 6-9, 260, well, there's not too much anybody can do about handling him physically. All of those aspects of the game will come and go. His ability to do so much with the ball scoring and passing — including an inalienable trust in his teammates — make him the closest thing to Oscar Robertson in terms of an all-around game with triple-double possibilities nightly. He will likely be a first-team All-NBA fixture, despite cir stances changing from game-to-game, month-to-month and year-to-year.

    One thing that won't vary will be the free-throw line. It will remain 15 feet to the 10-foot basket. He will go to that line as frequently — and perhaps even more so — as any other player in the league during the fourth quarter. That extra 10 percent he needs to make is a point per game during the season — and increases exponentially in value during the lower scoring playoffs.

    He can't continue to go 2-for-6 down the stretch of the games, and he has to gain a sense of calm and consistency. James is a guy who wants to draw fouls going to the rim — with the desired effect a 3-point play. We're not talking about a 7-footer the nature of Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal, centers whose games were in the post and were psyched out by those 15 feet.

    James has to get over it — his future with the Cavaliers and his legacy may depend on it.

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    I do like LeBron and think he SHOULD be better than Kobe by now but the fact is he isn't.

    LeBron's shooting will make him second banana in the Kobe comparisons until he vastly improves. He can't be "the Man" if he can't win a game from the free throw line.

    Players can't stop LeBron from his dominating drives but just foul him and you can get a win.

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    Lebron always looks SHOOK when he goes to the line in a close game.

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    Bad free throw shooting ruined Shaq's legacy and his chance at winning NBA les.

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    ^ Exactly, and LeBron is no where near that bad. Free-throw shooting or not, i think LeBron passed Kobe, its still really close though.

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    Bad free throw shooting ruined Shaq's legacy and his chance at winning NBA les.
    This has to be sarcastic, right?

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    james has a legacy of getting sweeped in the finals
    and tp getting the finals mvp not him

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    I don't think LeBron will ever win an MVP or an NBA championship unless:

    1) He improves his free throw shooting
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    2) He gets a 2nd go-to guy for the final minutes of a close game

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    2) He gets a 2nd go-to guy for the final minutes of a close game

    Right. Because it's not like he's closed games out before.

    Was Kobe as complete as he is now when he was LeBron's age?

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    Right. Because it's not like he's closed games out before.
    He does and he doesn't... Without free throw shooting, you can't rely on LeBron to win those close games, just like that Celtics game. I think the NBA has caught on and will start fouling LeBron even more in those close games.

    On the flip-side, in yesterday's Nuggets game, Kobe won that game in the end with clutch shots and clutch free-throws.

    Was Kobe as complete as he is now when he was LeBron's age?
    If you talk about complete, yes, Kobe was more complete than Lebron at 23. Lebron at 23 is more dominant and a better leader than 23 year old Kobe but his skillset is nowhere near Kobe's.
    Last edited by Allanon; 11-02-2008 at 09:04 PM.

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    He does and he doesn't... Without free throw shooting, you can't rely on LeBron to win those close games, just like that Celtics game. I think the NBA has caught on and will start fouling LeBron even more in those close games.

    On the flip-side, in yesterday's Nuggets game, Kobe won that game in the end with clutch shots and clutch free-throws.



    If you talk about complete, yes, Kobe was more complete than Lebron at 23. Lebron at 23 is more dominant and a better leader than 23 year old Kobe but his skillset is nowhere near Kobe's.
    Not really, Kobe was still a below 45% shooter and wasnt nearly as good a facilitator as LeBron, he did have a better jumper though.

    As long as LeBron puts up 30-7-7 like he has been and the Cavs can get up to 50-55 wins, win MVP, its only a matter of time - in fact id say he'll get close to 4 or 5 when hes done.

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    Not really, Kobe was still a below 45% shooter
    At 23, Kobe was exactly a 45% shooter I believe...this doesn't include his 32% from 3 point range.

    wasnt nearly as good a facilitator as LeBron, he did have a better jumper though.
    I think at 23, LeBron's a better facilitator than Kobe right now. But shooting, defense, winning/killer instinct, I think Kobe had the goods at 23.

    As long as LeBron puts up 30-7-7 like he has been and the Cavs can get up to 50-55 wins, win MVP, its only a matter of time - in fact id say he'll get close to 4 or 5 when hes done.
    The biggest problem with his free throw shooting is that the Cavs won't win as many games so they'll be hovering around 50 wins.

    And if Kobe gets 60+ wins, that'll put him ahead, the same with CP3 playing in the harder West.

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    At 23, Kobe was exactly a 45% shooter I believe.



    I think at 23, LeBron's a better facilitator than Kobe right now. But shooting, defense, winning/killer instinct, I think Kobe had the goods at 23.



    The biggest problem with his free throw shooting is that the Cavs won't win as many games so they'll be hovering around 50 wins.

    And if Kobe gets 60+ wins, that'll put him ahead, the same with CP3 playing in the harder West.
    True, although Kobe did have a pretty damn impressive 02-03 when he put up 30-7-6 at the age of 24 so its not like he couldnt fill up the stat sheet either. I dont think LeBron's team is ready for him to win MVP THIS season either, as long as the West is so dominant, and someone leads their team to 60+ they will likely get the MVP.

    Cavs are still a piece away from getting to 55 wins, even in the East.

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    I dont think LeBron's team is ready for him to win MVP THIS season either, as long as the West is so dominant, and someone leads their team to 60+ they will likely get the MVP.

    Cavs are still a piece away from getting to 55 wins, even in the East.
    I agree, LeBron's almost by himself on O...Mo Williams is a good role player on O but he's not clutch. The only reason why the Cavs are even a good team is that they have great team Defense. But they'll struggle in close games.

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    True, theyre team defense is actually way under-rated, it shows how ty the rest of his team is on Offense, as good as LeBron is and the numbers he put up, the Cavs - offensively, have been a below average offensive team in terms of offensive efficiency the last couple of years - they get by on D.

    I dont think they should have traded Drew Gooden, they were solid defensively even without Big Ben, and Gooden is probably a better rebounder now than Ben.

    Then again they did get Wally's expiring deal out of it - and Delonte.

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    I dont think they should have traded Drew Gooden, they were solid defensively even without Big Ben, and Gooden is probably a better rebounder now than Ben.
    Agreed, I think this was a huge mistake by them.

    Then again they did get Wally's expiring deal out of it - and Delonte.
    I'm still waiting on the final outcome of that mega trade...we'll have to wait and see what they do with Wally. It looks like they were gearing toward the future rather than this year with that trade.

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    <<<Not a Wally fan, they could afford to open up another roster spot.

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    <<<Not a Wally fan, they could afford to open up another roster spot.
    Either are the Cavs i dont think, they just wanted his contract. Its something like 12 million so if Ferry cant get anything out of that, he wont have a job at the end of the season.

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    Bad free throw shooting ruined Shaq's legacy and his chance at winning NBA les.
    Shaq had Kobe and Dwayne, and Phil Jackson and Pat Riley.

    Lebron has ... ?

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    Shaq had Kobe and Dwayne, and Phil Jackson and Pat Riley.

    Lebron has ... ?
    And 30-15-4-3 in each of the first three championship runs.

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    you want shooting efficiency


    kobe>lebron in TS% (this includes Ft and 3pt% along with the standard FG%)

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    Shaq had Kobe and Dwayne, and Phil Jackson and Pat Riley.

    Lebron has ... ?
    Precisely why it's not LeBron's free throw shooting that will ruin his legacy.

    It's the lack of Hall of Fame teammates and coaching, not his free throw shooting.

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    in cleveland Lebron is the man, always had been, he's been expected to be ever since his rookie year, Kobe did not have that luxury, and Lebron's stats are inflated due to him handling the ball for like 95% of the cavs possession whenever he's on the court, i see him as a strong SF, an all star player who's one of the best at driving the lanes and finishing near the rim, but with no back to basket game, a streaky jumper, and i am not even going to mention his FT %, he cannot be seriously considered a better all around player or even a more effective player than Kobe. And if you paired shaq with James, the lakers wouldnt have been as effective as a shaq kobe pairing, shaq wide body would just take away driving lanes from lebron, his rebounds will go down as well, i dont see him as an ideal fit in the laker's 3peat as compared to kobe, at best he would be a role player and take a backseat to shaq, Lebron can never complement a dominant post player, with his sheer size and athletism sorry.

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    Yes. The reason LeBron hasn't won a le with teammates like Boobie Gibson, Anderson Varejao, Ben Wallace, Delonte West, and Lorenzen Wright.... is because he shoots free throws poorly.

    Wow. That's got to be it.

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    He does and he doesn't... Without free throw shooting, you can't rely on LeBron to win those close games, just like that Celtics game. I think the NBA has caught on and will start fouling LeBron even more in those close games.

    On the flip-side, in yesterday's Nuggets game, Kobe won that game in the end with clutch shots and clutch free-throws.



    If you talk about complete, yes, Kobe was more complete than Lebron at 23. Lebron at 23 is more dominant and a better leader than 23 year old Kobe but his skillset is nowhere near Kobe's.
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