Harrington is a 28-yr-old 6-9 PF with outside touch. Personally, I think he'd be a huge upgrade for our frontcourt. He's on the outs w/Nellie, and GS is in the hurt bag this year with Ellis's problems and is publicly shopping Harrington.
Trade Idea #1:
Bowen, Jacque Vaughn, and Bonner for Ot a.
I love Bowen as much as anyone, but you've got to give something to get something, and GS needs someone who can play defense, plus he can shoot the 3. Also they're shallow at PG, so Vaughn could be mildly useful, and Bonner is tall and could fit well with Nellie Ball.
Trade Idea #2:
Manu straight up for Harrington. I know, I know, kills me too, but let's face facts about Manu's age (31 and not getting younger) and sturdiness (questionable). Nellie loves him some straight ballin' playmakers, and that's Manu. Of course they already have a smallish team, but then Nellie doesn't seem to mind that.
Both of these trades pass on the espn trade machine, btw.
Manu for Al Harrington would NEVER happen..Manu is much too valuable to trade for an above average player like Harrington..
I've talked to a few Warrior fans, and they said they think the Warriors would actually take Oberto, Bonner and Vaughn for him, but we'd have to find a way to take back one of their bad contracts somehow..Nelly would definitely use a guy like Bonner, which would suck for the Warriors, obviously..I don't know if Harrington would be worth taking back some contracts..
Hmm, Oberto, Bonner and Vaughn works for me! I'd far rather part with them than Manu, obviously. I'm just not sure if Manu is "much too valuable" any more.
I thought about him too, once word got out that he's requested a trade. Even though Harrington's trade value is hurt by the announcement, I would imagine GS would get better offers than the "end-of-roster" garbage the Spurs would offer in your Trade Idea #1.
From someone with a username of ManuTastic, I'm surprised you'd even dare think of trading Manu at this point. At this point, I wouldn't trade Manu at all. He's got at least another 3-4 years of high-level play and he is still very much a superstar-level player. He's also our close-out killer, so you'd lose that if you traded him. That idea is out.
Overall, the problems with Harrington is he's got a hefty price tag and he's not a very good defender. (of course he's probably no worse a defender than Bonner is now). His trade value has obviously been damaged by his open desire to be traded, so perhaps that would work in favor of any team that wanted Harrington.
As I'm writing this, I'm actually talking myself into this idea more and more. He'd definitely be a frontline upgrade over Bonner and would give Pop greater roster versatility. I believe Pop could actually coach him into being a better defender because he was at Indiana. Acquiring him would ease the loss of the Spurs giving Scola away for practically nothing. If GS would bite on the first idea and the trade works financially, I would consider it.
Bonner, Oberto and Fin for him... then get Malik and Watkins as additional pieces...
I don't see why they'd want Oberto. He'd be buried on their bench. I'm not a big fan of Oberto's, so if they wanted him I would do it. However, I would beware of taking back any bad contracts. That would be a deal-breaker.
I've started to develop a mental list of posters on this site whose posts I usually skip without reading because I'm pretty sure there won't much there worth considering. Welcome aboard.Manu straight up for Harrington.
Bowen isn't "garbage." The other are, though.
I have to disagree with Manu having 3-4 years of high-level play left. I hope I'm wrong, because I'd be shocked if he's traded, but I am expecting a definite decline this year, and more in the next few years. He'll still have some awesome games, sure, they'll just be fewer and fewer. Of course I have no crystal ball, but mainly I just love the idea of getting Tim some help in the front court. Oberto and Kurt Thomas just aren't cutting it for me.
Actually I think there's an ignore function on this board. See if you can mentally figure out how to use it.
My bad. I forgot about Bowen in Trade idea #1. You're right. I would never have referred to Bowen as garbage. I also know that Nellei would have no use for Bowen. He's better off staying here. I would, however, replace Bowen with Oberto in your scenario.
How can you trade Oberto you guysneed more size not less unless you go small ball and move Tim to his natural position Center may have to down the line anyway ...but i think key for SA is to develop a young PF with size and quickness to handle the Amare's, David west's, Dirks and maybe even Artest if he plays mins. there (if ROX resign him)
harrington is shortterm solution defense sucks and NO WAY id trade him for Manu if you do you BECOME less dangerous and i would LOVE to get you guys in the playoffs ...
you're stupid, and your ideas are stupid.
welcome aboard.
*adds to ignore list*
I had said somewhere else we shouldnt go for another big who loves to score from beyond the arc. Then someone said he wanted out of GS because he wanted to play more under the rim. So I stood corrected and he would be upgrade from Fab,Matt and Kurt. (easy upgrade) My only fear is with his outside touch and Pops love for Bigs who can hit from beyond the arc, thats what will happen. Another Big who doesnt play his best under the back board.
Not a bad choice of players to trade for Al. Your some true Spurs Fan ready to trade 2 of your starters and a backup. Bring back 2 scrubs. hahahaha....Trust me the world is better with you in here.All for a player who is unproven in our lineup. Might as well yell lottery. hahahaha
Meh...I'm lazy. Plus there is the occasional outlandish statement that has comedic value. I'm sure you will oblige me at some point this season.
Bottom line is.....if we dont make a trade for a solid veteran big who starts and requires a double team. The spurs dont have enough. I for one will not sit until the FO makes up for the mistakes its made. Not ever.
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That would be really significant if he said that. Either way, for him personally, it's good that he has both an inside and outside game.
With all the Harrington talk, my mind harks back to when Melvin Ely was here. He was a backup PF, but we never really got a good look at him. I wonder if he would've been a good keep? And why he wasn't retained?
FO took Ely just to keep him away from the Mavs (or the Suns. forgot which one).
Harrington pros:
create his own shot, Long, shoot the 3, good post up, good rebounder
Harrington cons:
basketball IQ in question, not a very good defender, takes too many shots, not sure what his role would be with the Spurs.
I think you mixed up your Harringtons there...
i've had him on my nba live team for two years straight.
He's still young enough that he could be coached out of these bad habits. Harrington would instantly become the 2nd best big on the roster and would transform the 2nd unit, providing scoring, rebounding that Bonner can't do on a consistent basis.
Picture this:
Starting 5:
Parker
Mason
Duncan
Bowen
Thomas
2nd Unit:
Hill
Manu
Mahinmi
Harrington
Udoka
Last edited by SenorSpur; 11-03-2008 at 12:16 PM.
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