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Sweden also tops out their individual income tax rates at 60%. Not exactly my idea of a great America.
No, you're wrong. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production. That's the correct definition of socialism. The recent bank bailout would be an example of partial socialism.He's a socialist. His policies and platforms are, whether you want to agree with them or argue over the definition of socialism or not.
Here, this says it better than I can:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/commen...talk_hertzberg
I don't know that tossing around "socialism" is such a good strategy. Sweden has it pretty good. Western Europe aint exactly North Korea.he Republican argument of the moment seems to be that the difference between capitalism and socialism corresponds to the difference between a top marginal income-tax rate of 35 per cent and a top marginal income-tax rate of 39.6 per cent. The latter is what it would be under Obama’s proposal, what it was under President Clinton, and, for that matter, what it will be after 2010 if President Bush’s tax cuts expire on schedule. Obama would use some of the added revenue to give a break to pretty much everybody who nets less than a quarter of a million dollars a year. The total tax burden on the private economy would be somewhat lighter than it is now—a bit of elementary Keynesianism that renders doubly untrue the Republican claim that Obama “will raise your taxes.”
On October 12th, in conversation with a voter forever to be known as Joe the Plumber, Obama gave one of his fullest summaries of his tax plan. After explaining how Joe could benefit from it, whether or not he achieves his dream of owning his own plumbing business, Obama added casually, “I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” McCain and Palin have been quoting this remark ever since, offering it as prima-facie evidence of Obama’s unsuitability for office. Of course, all taxes are redistributive, in that they redistribute private resources for public purposes. But the federal income tax is (downwardly) redistributive as a matter of principle: however slightly, it softens the inequalities that are inevitable in a market economy, and it reflects the belief that the wealthy have a proportionately greater stake in the material aspects of the social order and, therefore, should give that order proportionately more material support. McCain himself probably shares this belief, and there was a time when he was willing to say so. During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” a young woman asked him why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a huge tax bracket.” McCain replied that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” The exchange continued:
YOUNG WOMAN: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism and stuff?. . .
MCCAIN: Here’s what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.
Sweden also tops out their individual income tax rates at 60%. Not exactly my idea of a great America.
It's a matter of personal preference, but in America, when you toss around words like "socialism," most people lazily think of the USSR. Sweden is what socialism really is. Maybe not your favorite country, but hardly a hole.
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Sweden (and other Scandinavian countries) is one of the best countries in the world when looking how an average person lives...
The fact that Obama said this:
and the liberals, who SO fear wiretapping and the Patriot Act, don't care.We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.'
link please. Seriously...
Like Randomguy, I find myself getting more liberal as the years go by. Age 54, entrepreneur and, now, a getting-more-liberal Democrat.
Sweden is the way it is in large part because of America's presence and commitment to Europe. It's how socialism works when subsidized by a capitalist economy. It must be nice to not have to spend any money on national defense . . .
If America abandoned Europe, the Scandinavian "social democracy" model would wither away.
I am amazed at the amount of people in this great country who support the far liberal left. I am amazed that the Communist goals from 1963 have all but come to pass - http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm that we could be so weak as a nation to allow such a transformation from the Cons ution and the what the founding fathers fought and died for - sacrificed their lives, wealth and families for -- to what we are faced with today. How far we have fallen. How weak we have become as a nation. Totally unbelievable to me.
Good thing I hit the store this week and bought my Glock .45 and my .308 lever action to add to my collection before the HUGE tax is placed on guns.
Go Nobama -- bankrupt the coal industry -- that will do wonders for our economy -- and put that Cap and Trade in place.. that will also really help Americans!
refusing to accept the abuses of the last 8 years takes courage.
You mean the abuses of the last 80+ years.
Allowing those abuses to blind oneself to sound judgment and reason takes the mental capacity and instinctive response of a 2 year old throwing a fit.
I am not amazed that many people still support Sarah Palin - by the time she came on the scene I was already witnessing a similar astounding infatuation with a relatively unknown political figure.
Am I to take it that the prospect of an Obama presidency has suddenly awakened you from 8 years of apathy and derision on the topic? Wow, I so didn't see that coming...
Am I to take it that the prospect of an Obama presidency has suddenly awakened you from 8 years of apathy and derision on the topic? Wow, I so didn't see that coming...
I'm sorry; I missed where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or McCain wanted to set aside half a trillion dollars annually for a police force to keep the peace within our own shores.
I see, it's not specifics like the Patriot Act, warrentless wiretapping (loved the story about agents getting off on listening to American-on-American phone sex calls, btw) or the OKing of torture for anyone deemed a terrorist suspect...it's the FUNDING that scares the out of you.
You really are a Republican, through and through.
I am a Conservative; I am a registered Independent.I see, it's not specifics like the Patriot Act, warrentless wiretapping (loved the story about agents getting off on listening to American-on-American phone sex calls, btw) or the OKing of torture for anyone deemed a terrorist suspect...it's the FUNDING that scares the out of you.
You really are a Republican, through and through.
I voted for "Joe the Plumber" - and I've said so in several threads.
If you can't see the difference between a STANDING ARMY within our borders, and Federal Agents listening to phone sex, well, O.K.
wiretapping and the Patriot Act ? Are you aware of the things Woodrow Wilson did during his terms in office ? Obviously not....I see, it's not specifics like the Patriot Act, warrentless wiretapping (loved the story about agents getting off on listening to American-on-American phone sex calls, btw) or the OKing of torture for anyone deemed a terrorist suspect...it's the FUNDING that scares the out of you.
You really are a Republican, through and through.
you can't put "sound judgement" and "sarah palin" in the same post.
and you act like your life will turn upside down. you and i know thats just an act.
Yes, I did, actually. That's why I'm not voting for Woodrow Wilson in this election.
Gotta have my fun.
The quote about a national security force, however, does give me pause.
Any of you Obamaicans know wtf he is talking about?
but you can put Obama and sound judgment together ? I mean he is a great judge of character with his known relationships..
yeah -- you pretty much are -- only this version of Woodrow Wilson will allow blacks to apply at Princeton and probably won't support segregation of federal facilities.
"I missed where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or McCain wanted to set aside half a trillion dollars annually for a police force to keep the peace within our own shores."
Then you missed the DHS build-up (of unknown effectiveness), combined with US military being stationed and committed to domestic crowd control (posse commitatus gutted), the FBI deputizing 25K local law enforcement/mercenaries, and coss of thorough militarization of local law enforcement. And throw in the conservative's punitive commitment to incarcerating non-violent drug offenders at $25K-$40K/year each in order to subsidize prison guards and corps like CCA.
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