My Five Final Reasons Against Obama/Biden

[hater]

you disagree with her politically, big surprise. that's not evidence though.

disagree? I am apalled at her ignorance on the subjects

both have little knowledge, but Obama's is more dangerous.

proove it.

nah, because I was talking about being unpatriotic. If you want to say McCain is a womanizer, sobeit.

his wife is unpatriotic, not Obama.

[2centsworth]

What does the rationale have to do with it? Federal revenue went down after the 01 tax cuts. Ergo, tax cuts do not always necessarily lead to increased federal revenue. What's so hard to understand about that?

They were rebates! but feel free to explain to me how 911, enron and a like had nothing to do with that.

I don't know where to start. You aren't even making sense.

But since you mentioned it, intellectual dishonesty is starting a thread ing about Biden's lack of historical knowledge when the VP on the GOP ticket may be the most intellectually and historically clueless person to run for that office in American history (with the possible exception of Dan Quayle).

example of something as grotesque as Biden not knowing who the president was during the 1929 crash. only one of the most important dates in history. That's like not knowing which president sent us to war against vietnam.

[Shastafarian]

example of something as grotesque as Biden not knowing who the president was during the 1929 crash. only one of the most important dates in history. That's like not knowing which president sent us to war against vietnam.

She couldn't think of a Supreme Court Case besides Roe V. Wade she disagreed with.
She has no idea what the Vice President's duties are concerning presiding over the Senate.
She thinks being able to see Russia from Alaska = foreign policy experience.
She has no idea what the first amendment means.

[2centsworth]

disagree? I am apalled at her ignorance on the subjects

this will be the end of this childishness. Please provide an example so we can discuss.


proove it. I supported my argument that Obama knows little about history and provided zero examples of McCain gaffes. Proved!

his wife is unpatriotic, not Obama.

hence, the totality of the point. I question his judgements (rev wright, rezco, raines, etc...)

[Shastafarian]

this will be the end of this childishness. Please provide an example so we can discuss.


proove it. I supported my argument that Obama knows little about history and provided zero examples of McCain gaffes. Proved!

hence, the totality of the point. I question his judgements (rev wright, rezco, raines, etc...)

Knows little about history? Are you for real?

[hater]

this will be the end of this childishness. Please provide an example so we can discuss.

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008



5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

[2centsworth]

Knows little about history? Are you for real?

overstated. he needs improvement. the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor

[PixelPusher]

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008



5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

I thought her quote about media criticism endangering her 1st Amendment Right to free speech was, um, pretty "incredible".

[washingtonwizard]

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008



5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

holy mother of God

[2centsworth]

1. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip)

2. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

3. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008



5. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co," July 31, 2008 (Watch video clip)

I'll wait for shasta to respond for me


btw shasta, I'll get back to you later if you stick around after the election.

[Shastafarian]

I'll wait for shasta to respond for me


btw shasta, I'll get back to you later if you stick around after the election.

Why wouldn't I stick around? I'm not whottt.

[PixelPusher]

She's whiffed a number of times on the question of what exactly the job of a Vice President is.


I loved Bill Maher's take: "I would never accuse President Bush of being a smart man, but at least on his first day on the job he knew enough to show up to the right building."

[TheMadHatter]

Watching 2cents get his ass owned all over this thread is priceless. I almost feel bad for the guy, it's like beating up on the re ed midget.

[bobbyjoe]

please answer one question. how come federal tax revenues increased and reached record highs after the tax cut?

Federal Tax revenues will reach record highs under Obama or McCain. And then other the next President.

The long term trend of the US economy is upwards. It's the best economy in the world and bounces back from recessions and even the occasional depression and resumes it's upwards trend. As a result, the federal tax base should always be going up over time.

To the Bush cuts at hand, Federal Revenue in 2008 will come in around $2.6 Trillion compared to the $2.0 Trillion it was in 2001 when the Bush tax cuts started.

That's a growth rate of about 4% per annum. Not too bad, but for comparison's sake the growth rate was higher in the 1990's in federal revenue was higher than it was post Bush Tax cuts. This was despite taxes going UP across the board in the 90's under Clinton.

There are a host of factors as to why federal revenues have gone up over post 2001. Probably the #1 reason was the very low interest rates that Greenspan pushed through from 02-04 which lasted too long. This spurred economic investment and increased the tax base as corporations grew and enjoyed good times and unemployment fell.

Probably #2 was the housing bubble. Consumer spending soared over the past few years due to the housing bubble and people lived and spent beyond their means. This helped the tax base. As we all know, the gains in the economy from this artificial bubble were temporary and painful when the bubble burst.

The tax cuts did have some impact, but tax cuts are only one variable in the equation.

At the end of the day, technological innovation and worker productivity are the biggest drivers of the economy.

I have no problems with tax cuts but it's fiscally irresponsible and fiscally liberal to cut taxes and simultaneously increase spending and rely on this theory that the economic growth that results as a direct result of the tax cuts will finance everything and lead to a balanced or close to balanced budget. The reason is that there are too many other economic variables which can positively or negatively affect projected federal tax revenue.

Bush was simply a fiscal liberal. The rate of spending growth (8% per annum) under his admin nearly doubled the rate of revenue growth (4% per annum). That's a fiasco. Do you disagree?

Is there a true fiscal conservative out there these days?

[timvp]

2centsworth, your thread was flawed from the beginning. You must not have received the memo that Obama is a flawless deity and He should never be questioned. We must be thankful that His Majesty was considerate enough to lead us. If not for Him, we would plunge into an unimaginable hole from which humanity would never recover. Either repent and join those who have seen the light and realize He is much more than a politician or, as eloquently suggested in this thread, kill yourself.

Thank you.

[TheMadHatter]

2centsworth, your thread was flawed from the beginning. You must not have received the memo that Obama is a flawless deity and He should never be questioned. We must be thankful that His Majesty was considerate enough to lead us. If not for Him, we would plunge into an unimaginable hole from which humanity would never recover. Either repent and join those who have seen the light and realize He is much more than a politician or, as eloquently suggested in this thread, kill yourself.

Thank you.

Stop. Just stop with the exaggerations drama queen.

There are legitimate gripes to be made about Obama and Biden. I doubt many Obama supporters would care if you wanted to start a thread criticizing his tax policies or foreign policies. There is legitimate opposition there that is worthy of debate.

But for some ignorant redneck to come here and trash Biden for fumbling the date of the Stock Market crash while he votes for PALIN who can't even tell America what a Vice President actually does is the HEIGHT of stupidity.

[timvp]

Stop. Just stop with the exaggerations drama queen.

There are legitimate gripes to be made about Obama and Biden. I doubt many Obama supporters would care if you wanted to start a thread criticizing his tax policies or foreign policies. There is legitimate opposition there that is worthy of debate.

But for some ignorant redneck to come here and trash Biden for fumbling the date of the Stock Market crash while he votes for PALIN who can't even tell America what a Vice President actually does is the HEIGHT of stupidity.

Settle down. Obama is going to win. Step away from the font size upgrader.

[Cry Havoc]

2centsworth, your thread was flawed from the beginning. You must not have received the memo that Obama is a flawless deity and He should never be questioned. We must be thankful that His Majesty was considerate enough to lead us. If not for Him, we would plunge into an unimaginable hole from which humanity would never recover. Either repent and join those who have seen the light and realize He is much more than a politician or, as eloquently suggested in this thread, kill yourself.

Thank you.

Defending Obama = deity worship, I suppose.

Melodramatics do not serve you well, Timvp.

[timvp]

Defending Obama = deity worship, I suppose.

Melodramatics do not serve you well, Timvp.

Apparently a moment of lightheartedness doesn't serve Obama backers well, either.

Relax. This ish is in the bag.

[101A]

BTW, I think a lot of people jumped the gun on 2cents here.

He is approaching the oncoming Obama presidency in the proper context.

Objectively. Its time to be critical again, ladies and gentlemen.

My opinion, anyway.

The loyal opposition.

Reporting for duty.

[Shastafarian]

Stop. Just stop with the exaggerations drama queen.

There are legitimate gripes to be made about Obama and Biden. I doubt many Obama supporters would care if you wanted to start a thread criticizing his tax policies or foreign policies. There is legitimate opposition there that is worthy of debate.

But for some ignorant redneck to come here and trash Biden for fumbling the date of the Stock Market crash while he votes for PALIN who can't even tell America what a Vice President actually does is the HEIGHT of stupidity.

Settle down. Obama is going to win. Step away from the font size upgrader.

Is this the "jumpy" you were talking about?

[101A]

Oh.

Holy.

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God help us.

[DarkReign]

Jesus...

"I wont have to worry about putting gas in my car, I wont have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know, if I help him, he'll help me."

Rude awakening in 5....4....3....2.....1......

[DarkReign]

You know, no matter what scienctific advances are achieved in the coming years, one adage will always be true.

You cant fix stupid.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'm voting for McCain, because of this list. McCain is not going to win, so my only reason behind the thread is to vent. Nowhere did I make a pledge to criticize both equally.

I thought he lost your vote because of the bailout