Hey Angelluv, have you heard this!!????

[implacable44]

Speaking of evolving from apes, do they believe in god too? After all, religion is what gives beings their sense of justice, right? Why do apes cooperate together and act altruistically with each other? Are they also able to read the bible?

You don't have to read the bible to believe in Diety or a higher being

[implacable44]

Are they magically delicious?

or are they fruity ?

[BacktoBasics]

Ok let's try this again. How would they protect against a national religion? Separation of _____ and _____? You fill in the blanks.

Its too much he's on overload. God will guide him in from here.

Need more input

[BacktoBasics]

my deepest fear is that your parents procreated... you might be the best argument FOR abortion ..

Now wouldn't that be something your god would frown upon

[implacable44]

Its too much he's on overload. God will guide him in from here.

Need more input

Not the way you and the lib s use it to your advantage. You want to take God out of EVERYTHING - the courts - the schools - you persecute religion and eliminate it from every aspect of public life - be it atheists , agnostics, s -- whomever .. they all want Christianity out of this or that "public" place. The founding fathers did not mean for it to be used that way -- it is kind of like how you folks that want to take away the guns distort the meaning of the right ot bear amrs clause and dispute the comma and say it was only meant for a militia which we do not need in America anymore.

[baseline bum]

You don't have to read the bible to believe in Diety or a higher being

So where do they get their sense of justice from?

[BacktoBasics]

Not the way you and the lib s use it to your advantage. You want to take God out of EVERYTHING - the courts - the schools - you persecute religion and eliminate it from every aspect of public life - be it atheists , agnostics, s -- whomever .. they all want Christianity out of this or that "public" place. The founding fathers did not mean for it to be used that way -- it is kind of like how you folks that want to take away the guns distort the meaning of the right ot bear amrs clause and dispute the comma and say it was only meant for a militia which we do not need in America anymore.

I don't think it should be romoved completely just relabeled under the "fairytale" section in the library.

[Shastafarian]

Not the way you and the lib s use it to your advantage. You want to take God out of EVERYTHING - the courts - the schools - you persecute religion and eliminate it from every aspect of public life - be it atheists , agnostics, s -- whomever .. they all want Christianity out of this or that "public" place. The founding fathers did not mean for it to be used that way -- it is kind of like how you folks that want to take away the guns distort the meaning of the right ot bear amrs clause and dispute the comma and say it was only meant for a militia which we do not need in America anymore.

How on earth do you know?

[baseline bum]

Not the way you and the lib s use it to your advantage. You want to take God out of EVERYTHING - the courts - the schools - you persecute religion and eliminate it from every aspect of public life - be it atheists , agnostics, s -- whomever .. they all want Christianity out of this or that "public" place. The founding fathers did not mean for it to be used that way -- it is kind of like how you folks that want to take away the guns distort the meaning of the right ot bear amrs clause and dispute the comma and say it was only meant for a militia which we do not need in America anymore.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

[implacable44]

How on earth do you know?

have you ever read their writings - their journals - their stories ?

[Shastafarian]

have you ever read their writings - their journals - their stories ?

See above.

[baseline bum]

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

[baseline bum]

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

[baseline bum]

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.

[implacable44]

again -- I am not advocating a state'sponsored religion or one based in law - like the Church of Englad or how Catholocism heavily influences parts of South America .. i.e. Chile - so your quotes are meaningless. I already stated that the founders did not want a naitonal religion and you well know that your quotes support that. and it is funny how you are quoting thomas jefferson. -- whom most consider a Diest - a guy who did not believe in the new testament as it was written and had a huge distrust of organized religion because of his personal experiences -- yet he still went to church - -worshipped diety -- he still had services in public edifices - and he did say , :
http://www.ingodwetrustusa.org/jefferson.html
However, in 1782 Jefferson asked, "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?"

the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia...red/vaact.html... "Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities. "


but then you already knew these things and only choose to print "parts" of his speeches or letters that served your purpose. Lie by omission..

[Shastafarian]

Jefferson doesn't count. I mean, what important do ent did he write anyways?

[baseline bum]

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Passed unanimously by the Senate in 1797

[baseline bum]

again -- I am not advocating a state'sponsored religion or one based in law - like the Church of Englad or how Catholocism heavily influences parts of South America .. i.e. Chile - so your quotes are meaningless. I already stated that the founders did not want a naitonal religion and you well know that your quotes support that.

Creationism taught in public school science classes equals state-sponsored religion.

[The Reckoning]

if your referring to the cons ution, james madison was the primary author

jefferson wrote the declaration of independence.

"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

[Shastafarian]

if your referring to the cons ution, james madison was the primary author

jefferson wrote the declaration of independence.

"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

I wasn't.

[The Reckoning]

thats what i mean. the first amendment in the cons ution establishes separation of church and state, though jefferson agreed with it, he didn't author it.

in the declaration of independence he speaks of Natural Law and unalienable Rights...sounds kind of religiously oriented to me.

[Shastafarian]

thats what i mean. the first amendment in the cons ution establishes separation of church and state, though jefferson agreed with it, he didn't author it.

in the declaration of independence he speaks of Natural Law and unalienable Rights...sounds kind of religiously oriented to me.

I wasn't talking about his authorship of an important do ent as it relates to his religious beliefs. Isn't it widely believed that he was pressured into editing the DoI?

[implacable44]

widely believed ? WHy don't you read some of his writings.. he was definitely a religious man.

[Shastafarian]

widely believed ? WHy don't you read some of his writings.. he was definitely a religious man.

What writings do you recommend? Which ones have you read?

[The Reckoning]

he seemed to be a big fan of John Locke