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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/te...gslist.html?hp

    In order to prove that the war on drugs has taught them nothing, 40 states have now made it nearly impossible for the adult industry to advertise on Craigslist. The pressure from the government has made sure that adult-related content is charged an additional fee to advertise to cover the extra costs associated by the extra policing of content.

    War. Economy in a free-fall. Education in tatters. But escorts will now have to find a new place to advertise.

    Do these people not understand that it's called the oldest profession for a reason?

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    Drugs and sex are perennial targets for the still-Puritanical USA, but guns, violence, etc. get a pass.

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    Why is the right always trying to keep down small business owners?

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    What a joke, this country calls itself the land of the free and then outlaws drugs and pros ution. What a person does on his own time should be no one else's business as long as he's not hurting anyone nor destroying property.

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    What a joke, this country calls itself the land of the free and then outlaws drugs and pros ution. What a person does on his own time should be no one else's business as long as he's not hurting anyone nor destroying property.
    So if a guy sleeps with a pros ute who might have an STD, is he then expected to remain chaste for the rest of his life except for other pros utes? Because otherwise what you are implying is much more than simply a man getting his rocks off.

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    Well, hopefully they won't censor any child pornography. Our youngsters need to get a head start on their sex education.

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    So if a guy sleeps with a pros ute who might have an STD, is he then expected to remain chaste for the rest of his life except for other pros utes? Because otherwise what you are implying is much more than simply a man getting his rocks off.
    Who sleeps with a hooker? You kick them out after 30 minutes.

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    So if a guy sleeps with a pros ute who might have an STD, is he then expected to remain chaste for the rest of his life except for other pros utes? Because otherwise what you are implying is much more than simply a man getting his rocks off.
    Pros ution laws are in place to stop STDs?

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    Pros ution laws are in place to stop STDs?
    Laws are in place to protect people?

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    So no one should be able to legally bareback?

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    yes let's just reduce ourselves to animals.

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    What a joke, this country calls itself the land of the free and then outlaws drugs and pros ution. What a person does on his own time should be no one else's business as long as he's not hurting anyone nor destroying property.
    So, in your opinion, people should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want to?

    I'd like to introduce you to my brother in law. He's a crack addict. They won't arrest him, however, because he's ALSO a diabetic, and now on dialysis. State of Texas DOES NOT want to pay that bill, so they simply take him "home" when he is caught in a crack house.

    He is a walking, talking example of legalized drugs. It's a gorgeous site, really. Lies, cheats, steals, has beat up his old man - all for a fix.

    You got any daughters, btw? I'm thinking we ought not legalize that profession, either - legalized drugs AND pros itution? Can YOU do that math?

    What a joke, this country calls itself the land of the free and then feels it has the right and obligation, by threat of death, to confiscate half of my income, take more of my money any time I want to purchase something, and then tax me annually on the value of what I finally do purchase.

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    Unfortunately, this isn't a right issue. Those on the left have just as bad a track record, and we can't pretend that the DOJ of 40 states is all red. But the out-of-whack priorities is a bit staggering.

    The truth is that laws against this kind of thing are stupid. Legalized pros ution would generate tax revenue and increase the health benefits of society by being able to regulate the industry. When an industry stops having to operate behind the scenes, it cleans up its act. Much like the porn industry now generates lots of tax revenue and is held to higher standards of hygienic and fair practices.

    Child pornography would still be illegal, and those fighting child porn would benefit largely because more time and resources could go into tracking down real criminals instead of two adults having consensual sex.

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    So, in your opinion, people should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want to?
    To their own bodies or with other 100% consenting adults? Yes.

    I'd like to introduce you to my brother in law. He's a crack addict. They won't arrest him, however, because he's ALSO a diabetic, and now on dialysis. State of Texas DOES NOT want to pay that bill, so they simply take him "home" when he is caught in a crack house.

    He is a walking, talking example of legalized drugs. It's a gorgeous site, really. Lies, cheats, steals, has beat up his old man - all for a fix.
    He is a walking, talking example of ADDICTION. It's a shame your family has to endure him, but his situation would be the same if he were an alcoholic and alcohol is perfectly legal. His situation would also be the same if he got his high off sniffing legal solvents. It's not the legality of the substance - it's his addiction that makes him a sorry case.

    You got any daughters, btw? I'm thinking we ought not legalize that profession, either - legalized drugs AND pros itution? Can YOU do that math?
    That profession is already legal in many countries and in at least one of our own. Oddly, the sky has not fallen. The overall crime rate in Nevada has continued to decline for the last two decades while the population has increased. There has been a slight jump in crime in Las Vegas proper, but pros ution is not legal there.

    What math were you asking about?

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    So, in your opinion, people should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want to?
    Yes, if it is not directly attacking someone else or their property.

    I'd like to introduce you to my brother in law. He's a crack addict. They won't arrest him, however, because he's ALSO a diabetic, and now on dialysis. State of Texas DOES NOT want to pay that bill, so they simply take him "home" when he is caught in a crack house.

    He is a walking, talking example of legalized drugs. It's a gorgeous site, really. Lies, cheats, steals, has beat up his old man - all for a fix.
    I'm sorry to hear that, but subs ute alcohol for crack and you'll see the exact same story over and over.

    You got any daughters, btw? I'm thinking we ought not legalize that profession, either - legalized drugs AND pros itution? Can YOU do that math?
    Nope, I don't have (or ever want) kids.

    Pros ution should absolutely be legal. Better for someone to themselves out for decent money than to McDonalds for pay if they don't have other skills. If someone wants to just go out and get laid without having to play games and feign interest, I don't see what's wrong with it. Just because it doesn't agree with the church's definition of acceptable sex within marriage doesn't mean it merits being a crime.

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    What math were you asking about?
    The easiest way to make money for an addict.

    BTW, Alcohol and Crack addiction ARE NOT the same.

    I've got no problem with weed being legal, btw.

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    Pros ution should absolutely be legal. Better for someone to themselves out for decent money
    You ever heard of supply and demand.

    You legalize it everywhere, THEN you tax it - pay won't be so good, I'm betting.

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    BTW, Alcohol and Crack addiction ARE NOT the same.
    On this we completely agree, and I can even see some reason in legislating extremely harmful substances (crack, meth) on a more strict basis than minor recreational substances (pot, alcohol).

    However, from a legislative perspective, I believe the focus needs to be on the producers of extremely harmful substances and not the addicts and victims who need as many resources as we can offer for rehabilitation and recovery.

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    You ever heard of supply and demand.

    You legalize it everywhere, THEN you tax it - pay won't be so good, I'm betting.
    Are you telling me strip clubs are going to magically become cheap then?

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    Are you telling me strip clubs are going to magically become cheap then?
    Damn. You beat me to that. +1

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    You ever heard of supply and demand.

    You legalize it everywhere, THEN you tax it - pay won't be so good, I'm betting.
    Have you heard of Tijuana, Mexico? They look the other way with regards to pros ution there, and the hookers are still able to pull the average citizen's weekly pay in about 30 minutes of work.

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    However, from a legislative perspective, I believe the focus needs to be on the producers of extremely harmful substances and not the addicts and victims who need as many resources as we can offer for rehabilitation and recovery.
    This has been going on with my brother in law for 15 years now; he has spent 3 of those years in rehab - and never had to pay a dime for any of it. He did spend 3 in jail, not for drug possession, but for hot-checks and assault. Nothing has cured him. I understand he is an extreme case, but from what I can tell - about 10 - 20% of crack users turn out this way - uncurable. Something that horrible, IMO, must be illegal.

    You are right, if Nicotine and Alcohol are legal - there is no reason why other lower-intensity stuff couldn't be as well.

    There are cheap strip clubs, btw.

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    Have you heard of Tijuana, Mexico? They look the other way with regards to pros ution there, and the hookers are still able to pull the average citizen's weekly pay in about 30 minutes of work.
    How many Johns do you know that have had trouble picking up a hooker?

    Not just Tijuana, dude, cops look the other way pretty much EVERYWHERE.

    In Vegas, where it is open and legal, a guy handed my 13 year old son an "advertisement" card right on the street as we, as a family, walked in front of the Aladdin.

    Leave it there, IMO.

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    This has been going on with my brother in law for 15 years now; he has spent 3 of those years in rehab - and never had to pay a dime for any of it. He did spend 3 in jail, not for drug possession, but for hot-checks and assault. Nothing has cured him. I understand he is an extreme case, but from what I can tell - about 10 - 20% of crack users turn out this way - uncurable. Something that horrible, IMO, must be illegal.
    Again, we don't disagree. And I understand he's an extreme case. But his crimes are the theft and violence, not his medical condition. I just don't believe you can criminalize addiction in and of itself. I do believe that people who produce deliberately harmful substances have something to answer for. If there are laws to be made, they should focus on the people profiting from the despair of addicts and their families.

    That said, this battle cannot be won through law alone. Truth and education are the only way to drive down the demand for the substance and prevent new users. And medical advances toward helping addicts needs to be the focus of more research. Unfortunately, funding for prisons is more popular than medical research to help the inflicted.

    There are cheap strip clubs, btw.
    There are also cheap restaurants.

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    How many Johns do you know that have had trouble picking up a hooker?
    It's not the availability. It's the game of roulette. Everyone speeds, but sometimes you get a ticket. That ticket shouldn't cost you a criminal conviction.

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