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That's the kind of thinking that would make something like this happen.
I think the Blazers would rather give up Aldridge (not Oden) in that trade since Dirk & Aldridge play the same position.
It's win/win for both sides.
I don't know about you, but Tim def has some years left in him. Tony is at his peak, I wouldn't trade him for anyone but top talent. It's insulting to have complimentary pieces as a trade possibility with top talent, come on now. It's complimentary , for complimentary no matter what the record is right now. They need vets, we have those lol. They can have some vet players for youth, seems fair. Comp for Comp, young for old.
That's the kind of thinking that would make something like this happen.
I think the Blazers would rather give up Aldridge (not Oden) in that trade since Dirk & Aldridge play the same position.
It's win/win for both sides.
No he would.
The new Duncan? With all due respect, what the are you watching? He's no where near Duncan's skill level at this age right now, or Duncan's when he came into the league. He's not even a number one option. Barely a number two. He's good though.
Oh , another Bonner trade
Tony, Manu, Roy, Aldridge, & Oberto is a pretty salty starting 5. Especially if Bowen is finished, as all signs are pointing to. I think it would be a smart trade, but I can certainly understand Spurs fans not wanting to see Tim wear another jersey. He's a legend.
I'd do Aldridge instead of Oden, but I'd need a draft pick thrown in.
The Blazers would have
Blake, Roy, Outlaw, Dirk, Oden
The Mavs would have
Kidd (Sergio learning from the best), Rudy, Howard, Aldridge, Diop
It would hurt the Mavs in the short-term, but definitely a win/win IMO.
He's the closest thing to Duncan in the NBA, is what I mean.
They have similar games and styles. Aldridge has a ton of skill, I think he's going to be the best PF in the NBA in a couple of years.
Again, if the Blazers wanna swap complimentary pieces, it works out great on both sides, other than that, it's a issue.
They don't NEED it, I agree. If they wait and develop their players, they'll have a contending team in 4-5 years. Guys like Battier would make them a playoff team and very good but not a contender right away. Maybe in 4 years.
However, if they want to be at the top of the hep in the next 2 years, going for a prominent veteran would give them the immediate kick in the pants.
I understand that, but, skill level is more important when you are giving up so much. What Tim gives you just isn't out there.
Of course not. But what Tim and Tony are giving now is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. No disrespect to your team intended.
Trade Oden! He's a bust anyways
Those two teams would be pretty bad-ass. And it helps both teams in the long term. I don't think the Mavs can win a championship as-is so unless they're playing for playoff berths, taking a year or two hit would be worth it.
But you cannot undervalue them. Why would I jeopardize my team for uncertainty in regards to other players exceeding what i have? You do not trade for a downgrade, you trade for an upgrade, right?
How can uncertainty be an upgrade? It's risky at best.
With a flat out star injured, and new players being implemented, plus a better big in regards to a well rounded approach being out, why do this? ALl that is needed is a better bench, better surrounding players, that's all that should be moved.
I can agree with all that. But you'll never get fair value for a Tim Duncan or Tony Parker. , the Lakers only got Lamar Odom & Caron Butler (the inconsistent/crappy Caron) for Shaq still in his prime.
This is where my opinion probably differs vastly from yours and you might say I'm a homer or what not but I fully believe:
1) Spurs with Tim, Tony, Manu + current team cannot win a ring
2) Bowen is done and that's where it's really hurting them
3) Finley is the #2 problem on defense
4) The Spurs trademark defense is completely gone. The current Spurs look like the high-scoring Suns.
We'll skip over your guy Oberto and move to the bench. We have Mason, Hill who are good. But the rest of the bench is virtually untradeable for anything decent.
So let's say in a best case scenario, you only need to improve the bench.... the Spurs don't have anything to trade to get somebody good.
Number one is only acceptable with a poor supporting cast.
The rest is surrounding player issues. More of the same.
I've seen Kobe Bryant traded for Vlade Divac. I've seen Pau Gasol traded for his brother and a pick or so. Marcus Camby was traded for a pick. In this league, most things are possible if it really wants to get done.
Aside from that, worst scenarios have occured with trades. In a league where money and talent often are equated, I wouldn't put some scenarios past my thoughts. Simply being part of a larger deal in regards to other teams can solve the issues that we have.
Also it should be noted that having Tim and Tony on the court is more important right now than collective defense, if they aren't there to score, who will? So if they give up some buckets, and not foul out, i'm fine with that for RIGHT NOW.
Your 3 top players are awesome, no doubt, but the supporting cast is just horrible and have low salaries so it's hard to come up with players to bundle.
I agree, it can be done but it won't be easy to upgrade the Spurs roster without losing one of the Big 3.
Sometimes, you just gotta bite the bullet. Finley was expected to degrade some more but Bowen, that's the real kick in the nuts. I would have given the Spurs a fighting chance but not with how Bowen's been.
It's still early so I guess we'll wait and see, I could be totally wrong.
Most things aren't easy in this league, but with our scenario as it stands, I wouldn't do anything else unless it was flat out absurd in our favor.
Im sorry my friend but thats one dumb list. 2 former MVPs, 2 finals MVPS and one of the top big men in the league. You think POR can get one of these guys for some young bench players? are you insane
btw Oden, LMA and Roy are untouchable
Pritchard says sergio isnt going anywhere
"We like Sergio, and we are not in any discussions,'' Pritchard said. "We want to see this team, and we want to see this team grow. It's awfully early to be even talking about this stuff.''
Friday's online edition of Marca.com published a story that included Ortiz saying Blazers coach Nate McMillan does not afford Rodriguez the playing time or leeway he does with other young players. As a result, the agent said he wants Rodriguez to be traded.
Pritchard said this is an "old story" and that internally the issue has "passed". He said he chooses not to deal with Ortiz, instead opting to talk with Rodriguez's American agent, Herb Rudoy. Rudoy has a long history with the Blazers, dating back to when he represented Arvydas Sabonis. Pritchard said he spoke with Rudoy about Rodriguez "a couple weeks ago".
Pritchard said he is disappointed that Ortiz is making an issue.
"There's a right way and a wrong way to go about things,'' Pritchard said. "The thing is, Sergio wants to have an opportunity to play, and I'm happy he wants to play. I'd be upset if he didn't.''
After averaging 12.9 minutes a game last season as the third-string point guard, Rodriguez this season won the backup job, but has averaged only 9:18 a game in the first five contests, despite a sterling 15 assists-to-2-turnover ratio. He is averaging 15.6 assists per 48 minutes.
McMillan has played Rodriguez only in spurts, usually opting to use a three-guard unit that features Steve Blake, Brandon Roy and Rudy Fernandez. However, in last night's overtime victory against Houston, Rodriguez played 4:58 of the fourth quarter while starter Steve Blake played only 10 seconds. Rodriguez had three rebounds, two assists and no turnovers during his time, missing his only attempt, a three-pointer.
I have not been able to speak with Rodriguez this morning - the team started practice at 11, and the media will have access to the players around 12:30. It's interesting this story broke this morning, because last night during the Rockets game there was a curious scene that developed.
In the second quarter, during a shift when Rodriguez had three assists in his first three minutes, he was pulled from the game when a timeout was called with 9:03 left and replaced with Blake.
As the Blazers huddled during the timeout, Rodriguez left the team's bench and headed into the tunnel that leads to the Blazers locker room. Eventually, lead assistant Dean Demopoulos also left the huddle and went into the tunnel in search of Rodriguez. A minute or so later, Rodriguez came back out, with Demopoulos close behind.
But 24 seconds later, during an official timeout, Rodriguez was put back in the game.
I don't want to make too much of this - it could have been a problem with a shoe, it could have been nature calling, or it could have been Rodriguez losing his cool. I don't know. The game ended so late I didn't get a chance to interview Sergio after the game.
I can say this: never this season has Sergio appeared to me as disgruntled or seething. He has been as happy as I can remember him during his time in Portland. Whether or not he is totally happy? He probably isn't, but we all knew somebody on this team wasn't going to be happy this season with playing time. That's the price of having a deep and talented team.
And remember to ask yourself this: If you want Sergio to play more, that means someone has to play less. Do you really want to see less of Blake? Or Rudy? Or Roy?
For the Blazers, it's a pretty good sign when your third point guard (Blake is No. 1, I put Roy as No. 2) can get six assists in 11 minutes. It's a luxury and a testament to how deep this team is. Everybody just needs to deal with it.
As far as the Spanish agent "demanding" a trade ... big deal. He can demand all he wants. The only way this becomes a problem is if Sergio is the one upset - to the point where it affects his play.
How upset is he? How badly does he want out?
I have to respond to this....at least this trade wasn't coming from a Spoiled Spurs fan.
First of all, Allanon....there is no way that the Spurs are trading Tim, Tony, or Manu!! This is the core of the championship caliber ball-club. Remember 3 of the last 6 les have come from South Texas!! Spurs have built their team around this core and they going to ride out for at least 2-3 years!!
Also, last year ( I will give the Lakers credit they did win the series) but with a healthy Manu...the WCF would have been different. There was only one blowout game-Game 2 and everything else was really close.
So to write that the Spurs can't win another championship this year with the true Big 3..is a little premature.
Also, it is only 4 games and yes the defense has struggled but it is a 82 game season and their defense will improved before the season.
We are so ready to make quick judgements on teams but after 4 games!!! Yikes!!
I know fans like to propose crazy trades (for Superstar players) to create a buzz...however there has to be some realism in what you are proposing.
Wow!!!
It's all good, it's crazy, yes.
But sometimes it takes crazy measures to get you back on top.
Lakers were going nowhere so they took a gamble and sent Divacs (one of the top Centers at the time) for an un-proven high-schooler, Kobe.
The problem with Superstars is that you'll never get equal value in return. However, you can trade potential for a superstar.
For the Spurs, it will be difficult for them to win a championship with the current core and it's only going to get worse as the years go on.
Why not retool right now while you have 3 very attractive trade pieces?
LMA, Oden, Roy, Rudy I think wouldn't be untouchable if Duncan or Parker were involved.
Lakers are willing to give you Luke Walton and a #1 draft pick for Sergio
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