Tank 2008-09

[xellos88330]

Man, there is so much anger on these forums. So the Spurs are 1-3. Who cares. I think the team will be great this year. If the Spurs pull off a great season and who knows, wins the le, I do not understand how you all can participate in the festivities with a clear conscience. Either cheer for your team, or don't cheer at all.

[fotan2]

it is feasible to do so . but if i were the FO , i will not make any decisions until 20 games . by the way , who will be on 09 draft , Ricky Rubio ?

[MarHill]

Phooooooooooooooo.


I'll humor you, Ad. What is the likelihood that the front office can make one "smart deal"?

I mean, what do the Spurs have to offer?



Tank. The big three have been matched by the Lakers, Hornets and Rockets and maybe even the Jazz "big three."



The difference is that our other players are putrid in comparison. I'll give you the Jazz... AK-47 is 6th man. But You can match the Spurs big 3 with the other top contenders and any advantage the Spurs might have (barring injury and age) is offset by the terrible supporting cast.










Tank 08-09

Again another silly thread by another spoiled Spurs fan!

First of all...it is already four games into the season and you already want to tank the season.

Second, I don't think Roger Mason, George Hill and Tolliver are a putrid supporting cast. Also when Ian comes up....it has added some youth and athleticism to our ball club.

Third, when Manu comes back that will make our bench another man deeper.

It's amazing when all the success this franchise has had and now they have some adversity....oh well just give up the season or trade Tony or Manu.

Incredible!!

Pop hasn't even figure out his rotations yet and he is still seeing what he has in the younger players.....yet!!

Oh....the difference in the Spurs Big 3 and everyone else (except the Celtics) is they have three championships. I like this team chances (if they are all healthy) to compete for the championship.

Someday...this golden age of the Spurs will end and I hope all spoiled Spurs fans will appreciate what we have!!

Yikes!!

[PURO SAN ANTO 210!]

Let See Whut Hapins When This Team Is All Healthy N Get Everybody Gets Gellin! But Tank No Way!

[Ghost Writer]

What do you know, he somehow even lost more cred saying the Jazz have a Big 3, they only have two, you dumb . When opposing fans(Xylus, Mavs fans) tell ST posters to put down the gun, that should be a wakeup call for all. But not Ghost. 4% in, and he's ready to throw in the towel!!!

Hey, re .

If you read the post of mine that you quoted, you would see that I discounted the Jazz, because AK-47 comes off the bench.

So what exactly are you arguing, because everything in the post of mine that you quoted is true?


D1ckhe@d.

[Ghost Writer]

We need to lose those 2-OT games against teams like the Wolves if we are going to win another #1 lottery pick.

We can't afford to let Minnesota have more ping-pong balls!

The Spurs can't even get tanking right.

[bus driver]

Manu's out until December-ish.

The top teams in the West are a year more experienced, healthier and/or added a new impact player. (Don't make me go into the specifics again.)

The Spurs obviously can't or are unwilling to bring in an impact player. The team is very old and some would argue, ineffective.




Fvck it. Let's tank!



Look at the Spurs' track record in seasons where they really sucked... it netted us not one, but two #1 all-franchise lottery picks.

Again, not your run-of-the-mill #1s.... we are talking about MVP-caliber centers that you can build a team around for a decade!



So I say pack it in early this year. Even with the Big 3 at 100%, I don't see the Spurs getting past the Jazz or Rockets and certainly not the Lakers or Hornets this year.


Tank now. Hope for another #1. Come back next year with the Big Three at full strength in Duncan's latter part of his career. Give it another try with a lottery pick in the starting lineup.



It will be beautiful. Do it now instead of pathetically dragging out 3-5 more painful playoff appearances.


Tank and begin the next era, while still winning.




It's time to start thinking about a succession strategy here. The lottery is how the Spurs get good.

get off the bus!

[Ghost Writer]

Get on the tank bus.

Unless you really think that the Spurs can win this year with all things being equal

- or -

You actually believe that the Spurs front office will find a way to replace Duncan before the team naturally erodes in the downshift of his career.





Tanking is the only reasonable alternative.

We would not be having this conversation if not for tanking the 1996-97 season.

Winning lotteries is how the Spurs have been successful.

[FromWayDowntown]

You actually believe that the Spurs front office will find a way to replace Duncan before the team naturally erodes in the downshift of his career.

You actually believe that it's possible for the Spurs to replace Tim Duncan? Really?

This is your silly fascination with the completely unrealistic notion that the Spurs will just miraculously come up with the next "Top 5 Big Man of All-Time" and never miss a beat.

[Ghost Writer]

You actually believe that it's possible for the Spurs to replace Tim Duncan? Really?

This is your silly fascination with the completely unrealistic notion that the Spurs will just miraculously come up with the next "Top 5 Big Man of All-Time" and never miss a beat.

Is it really man fantasy?

Or is it your delusion and the rest of the Spurs homers?

I have a very healthy and realistic knowledge of how the Spurs won their les.

And guess what?

It's because they won two lotteries that yielded two all-franchise big men.

Not once.

Twice.

And it seems like that is the front office's plan for continued growth.

So why wait until Duncan's viability deteriorates?

Tank now, as the Spurs did in 1996-97 when the team was hit with injuries (have you looked at the Spurs injury report lately?) and come back next year with a lottery pick and Duncan with a couple more good years left!

It wouldn't be so far-fetched if it wasn't exactly how the Spurs became a perennial favorite.

[FromWayDowntown]

Is it really man fantasy?

Or is it your delusion and the rest of the Spurs homers?

You actually believe that there's "the next Tim Duncan" out there and that he's going to keep the Spurs on top of the league if the Spurs just tank this season?

Who, praytell, is that player?

Oh, and while you're at it, convince me that the dude is more Duncan, Shaq or Lebron than Olowokandi, Bogut, Brown, or Bargnani.

I have a very healthy and realistic knowledge of how the Spurs won their les.

And guess what?

It's because they won two lotteries that yielded two all-franchise big men.=

Sure, but not all lotteries yield all-franchise big men. See above.

Not once.

Twice.

Yup. They got very lucky twice. They also picked a good players in Parker and Ginobili and have routinely filled in around that core with role players who get the job done. In fact, that formula has worked to win the last 3 of the Spurs 4 les (more than all but three clubs in NBA history).

And it seems like that is the front office's plan for continued growth.

I'd dispute that. I think the front office's plan is to try to stay good for as long as possible while Duncan is on the roster, realizing that the time will come for a complete rebuilding when Duncan retires.

So why wait until Duncan's viability deteriorates?

Because compe ors don't quit? Because there are no guarantees that you'll hit gold again in the lottery? Because there's reason to think that the Spurs could still actually compete for les?

Tank now, as the Spurs did in 1996-97 when the team was hit with injuries (have you looked at the Spurs injury report lately?) and come back next year with a lottery pick and Duncan with a couple more good years left!

Great idea. You've seen the immediate impacts that all of this year's lottery picks have had in the league -- it's the surest thing ever.

Oh, and I'm not sure that you're factually correct in calling 1996-97 a tank, unless you think David Robinson should have just played through that broken foot. 1996-97 demonstrated just how reliant the Spurs team of that time frame were on David Robinson to even have a chance; when David was injured -- and he was legitimately injured -- that team had zero chance.

[MarHill]

You actually believe that there's "the next Tim Duncan" out there and that he's going to keep the Spurs on top of the league if the Spurs just tank this season?

Who, praytell, is that player?

Oh, and while you're at it, convince me that the dude is more Duncan, Shaq or Lebron than Olowokandi, Bogut, Brown, or Bargnani.



Sure, but not all lotteries yield all-franchise big men. See above.



Yup. They got very lucky twice. They also picked a good players in Parker and Ginobili and have routinely filled in around that core with role players who get the job done. In fact, that formula has worked to win the last 3 of the Spurs 4 les (more than all but three clubs in NBA history).



I'd dispute that. I think the front office's plan is to try to stay good for as long as possible while Duncan is on the roster, realizing that the time will come for a complete rebuilding when Duncan retires.



Because compe ors don't quit? Because there are no guarantees that you'll hit gold again in the lottery? Because there's reason to think that the Spurs could still actually compete for les?



Great idea. You've seen the immediate impacts that all of this year's lottery picks have had in the league -- it's the surest thing ever.

Oh, and I'm not sure that you're factually correct in calling 1996-97 a tank, unless you think David Robinson should have just played through that broken foot. 1996-97 demonstrated just how reliant the Spurs team of that time frame were on David Robinson to even have a chance; when David was injured -- and he was legitimately injured -- that team had zero chance.

Thank you....From Way Downtown!

Some spoiled Spurs fans think that Tim Duncan types grow on trees. Also, why are we in such a rush to even entertain the though of tanking the season!!

Are spoiled Spurs fans that bored with success? Yikes!!

Since 2003, this team has averaged at least 55 wins with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili becoming the significant pieces of the team. The real big 3 have at least made to the Western Conference Semifinals in that time period. Oh by the way they are the last western conference team to win the NBA Finals. Hmmm.....

I could see if the Spurs had drop down to a seven or eight seed or didn't make the playoffs in the last year or two (AKA Miami Heat). But that has not happen!!!!!

Lastly, sometimes in life when you try to intentionally do something it usually comes back to bite in the butt!

Wow!!

[FromWayDowntown]

I miss the Ghost Writer who thought "Win Now, Worry Later."

Someone must have stolen that dude's password -- this "Worry Now, Win Later" guy has bad takes.

[Ghost Writer]

FWD, I appreciate your taking the time to post the optimistic counterpoint.

I will never feel confident that this front office is doing everything they can to capitalize on the good fortune of Robinson and then Duncan.

Yes, Ginobili and Parker were terrific discoveries and I have acknowledged the front office for those 2 finds.

And I know that Duncans and Robinsons don't grow on trees. That is my point.

The front office seems to take Duncan for granted, because we've seen them put the bare minimum around him aside from Ginobili (2nd round) and Parker (late first round).


I firmly believe at least 7 les could have been won in Duncan's tenure. We could analyze every painful playoff exit if you'd like.




You never get frustrated when you think about the playoff exist that could be directly linked to a generally old, tired, injury-prone and/or ineffective supporting cast?

Question.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

FromWayDowntown usually goes out of his way to make solid posts, but I'm gonna have to side with this GhostWriter character on this one.
I don't take it as us finding the next Duncan in the lottery, but rather finding another good player that can help Duncan rebound and defend better than The Invisible Man.

[Spurtacus]

Looks like we'll be 1-4 soon. Parker could be out for weeks too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Looks like we'll be 1-4 soon. Parker could be out for weeks too.

And we're getting beat by a team being coached by Erik Estrada.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

nope - Spurs should have signed Maggette, J.R. Smith and Pargo. They wasted money on Mason and a pick on Hill. Our FO has no clue what they're doing - they've only won les because of luck due to lottery picks.

You're an idiot. Maggette signed for more money than we could offer him.

Smith was restricted and Denver was willing to pay for him up to the MLE, which is what we had to offer. Pargo took the money and went to Russia.

Posters like you have no clue what you're talking about - you think our front office operates in some alternate universe with no salary cap and no collectiev bargaining agreement rules to work under.

Seriously, it kills me how stupid and naive fans can be when they make rash judgements based on their own knowledge of the NBA and team make up. I'm not a NBA scout or GM, so I tend to trust successful FO's when they've always made surprising decisions and they continue to do so.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I don't get it, so does AHF think we should play duncan 48 minutes a game for a sure-fire non championship season or not?

[Ghost Writer]

Corey Maggette would be Derek Anderson all over again. Another "me first" swingman from the Clippers who is all about getting paid and putting up numbers and not defense or the team concept.









I am still waiting for answers to my previous post.

[rascal]

Looks like we'll be 1-4 soon. Parker could be out for weeks too.

Whats the injury to Parker?

[remingtonbo2001]

So, can we take the tanking roll call already?

[Ghost Writer]

How long before you people grasp the concept of me suggesting that the Spurs tank the season?

1. No tradeable commodities (contracts, picks or talent).

2. Next year's 1st rounder goes to OKL if we make the playoffs.

3. The team is old.

4. The front office is either inept or unwilling to trade for better talent.

5. The way the Spurs won their les was to win the lottery... twice.




How else do you presume we'll get better?

[ChumpDumper]

We grasp the concept.

We just don't care.

[Mr. Body]

How long before you people grasp the concept of me suggesting that the Spurs tank the season?

1. No tradeable commodities (contracts, picks or talent).

2. Next year's 1st rounder goes to OKL if we make the playoffs.

3. The team is old.

4. The front office is either inept or unwilling to trade for better talent.

5. The way the Spurs won their les was to win the lottery... twice.




How else do you presume we'll get better?

I pretty much agree. If they make the playoffs, they'll get knocked off fairly quickly, maybe first round. Sad point about tanking, though, is this year's draft is awful.