Bible-Thumpers!!! Prepare to be upset

[scott]

Most irrelevant according to you. I also thought your study did not consider that people claiming to be Christians, were "name only" Christians.

If you can explain to me the relevence of the methods my research in that study to this thread, then I will retract my statement. If you mean the methods are relevent to the topic of my research, then well... of course. I'd be happy to discuss them (again), if you can find that thread. This will be the last time I address the topic in this thread.

In any case, I don't think the point of this research (Jesus walking on ice)was overlooked. Efforts to explain away miracles done by Jesus with natural events (he did not walk on water, there was ice; he did not raise people from the dead, they were not really dead, the were napping) make little sense.

If you think the point of his research was to say "Jesus walked on ice," then you are most certainly overlooking the real point. Nowhere in his study did Dr. Nof say Jesus definitively walked on ice. He merely states it was a possibility. It has been the overzealous Christian bashers and irresponsible media looking to make some noise that have overblown his statements and made it seem like he is trying to disprove God. And most people in this thread are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

[Phenomanul]

The merits of my research are a topic for another discussion. The point I'd like to make is that people want to read more into some research than they should - and it gets both sides riled up and researchers who put a lot of effort into their work end up with the short end of the stick. First, the point of the research gets overlooked, and then they are attacked by people responding to other people who missed the point.

And somehow you picked out the most irrelevant part of my post to respond to, ironically providing evidence to what I was trying to get across.

I didn't pick it for the sake of being facetious.... it just struck me as odd....

Besides seemingly minute phrases from my posts always get quoted and spun into irrelevant side topics all the time.... c'est la vie in internet forums I guess...

In response to your point... from the headline given it seemed as though the intent of the researcher was influenced by his wish to explain the veracity of the miracle in question... the article's overtone, 'Science has once again debunked a religious creed,' therefore is what provoked many to call out the researcher in the first place... of course as you pointed out it might have just been the media.

Top it off with the sarcastic overtone given by the starter of this thread... with his own derisive headline.... and this is what results....

[scott]

I didn't pick it for the sake of being facetious.... it just struck me as odd....

Besides seemingly minute phrases from my posts always get quoted and spun into irrelevant side topics all the time.... c'est la vie in internet forums I guess...

In response to your point... from the headline given it seemed as though the intent of the researcher was influenced by his wish to explain the veracity of the miracle in question... the article's overtone, 'Science has once again debunked a religious creed,' therefore is what provoked many to call out the researcher in the first place...

Top it off with the sarcastic overtone given by the starter of this thread... with his own derisive headline.... and this is what results....

I most certainly understand why people are calling out researchers. Sometimes its because people just don't want to believe something could be true that goes against their belief system... but most of the time its because some third party (in this case the writer of the article and the original poster) his taken the liberty to misrepresent the research in question.

Sadly, a phenomenon not exclusive to the internet. And yes, these people vote.

[Yonivore]

Going back to the original post...

I challenge that idiot to stand on a piece of ice in a storm-tossed body of water. That's pretty damn miraculous itself.

[Phenomanul]

Going back to the original post...

I challenge that idiot to stand on a piece of ice in a storm-tossed body of water. That's pretty damn miraculous itself.

That's what I was saying earlier....

[Yonivore]

That's what I was saying earlier....

I didn't read all the crap between post one and this one...who's got the time?

[smeagol]

Going back to the original post...

I challenge that idiot to stand on a piece of ice in a storm-tossed body of water. That's pretty damn miraculous itself.

Yeah.

Same thing I said earlier too. It's easier to say Jesus never existed in the first place, or that his miracles are total fabrications, than to try to explain them away.

Sorry if you feel offended as a researcher, Scott, but this professor's research makes little sense (and yes, research can make little sense, just like some theology makes little sense).

[Oh, Gee!!]

Top.

[gtownspur]

Dumbest thread EVEr!!!

[DarkReign]

ed up

[smeagol]

ed up

I see my feuds with you started a long time ago

[I Love Me Some Me]

What a fun thread. Almost as fun as the Prop 8 thread.

[DarrinS]

Maybe Jesus was just walking on a non-Newtonian fluid.

[fyatuk]

It's sort of like those people who say "Yeah, Christ was a great moral teacher, but a mere man". Bull . He was either who he claims he was, the Son of God, or he was a lunatic. There is no middle ground.

Personally, I always thought he was misunderstood. I think he probably called himself a son of God, not The Son of God. My opinion, no basis other than my own thoughts. But it allows for him to be a great man and not divine or lunatic.

[The Reckoning]

from what i remember. Jesus called himself the Son of man

[Heath Ledger]

I think if you were fasting without food for many days at a time you would be seeing Jesus doing a lot of unexplainable things as well.

[fyatuk]

I think if you were fasting without food for many days at a time you would be seeing Jesus doing a lot of unexplainable things as well.

Well, it's also not like the stories about Jesus were the only places where those kind of events happened. There are stories from all over the place that involve people doing similar miracles, many older than Jesus.

Even now people are still seeing things like it. My wiccan friend says he's met several people who could walk on water, etc.

[Buddy Holly]

LOL at people trying to debunk a fairy tale.

What's next? Years long research concluding that a large gust of wind simultaneously blew when the wolf was knocking down the little pigs homes?

[romad_20]

Jesus Rocks!!!!

I thought he was more a James Taylor-type, singer songwriter.

[TheMadHatter]

LMAO at all the idiots wasting their time trying to rationalize the Giant Book of Fairytales....err the Bible.

The more you know about the history of the Bible the more you can see quite clearly that God had absolutely no hand in its construction. It was put together by men who had no knowledge of who Jesus was other than 2nd hand stories. Furthermore, nearly everything they wrote about the historicity of Jesus is in all likelihood a complete fabrication.

Christians just like to think they have a monopoly on God. I say let them rot in their ignorance. Just leave me the alone, I'm not dumb enough to fall for your BS propaganda.

[DarkReign]

I see my feuds with you started a long time ago

...yeah, now I also understand where JJ and I got started as well. I was searching for an old post to quote in the new thread and I found it in here.

I accidently posted in this thread.

Holy-thread-necro.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It always amazes me how some people are more willing to accept the notion that a person walked on water than to accept that the people responsible for writing the story... lied. You do know that lies existed back then, right? Its not like bull is a modern concept

[Blake]

Science Tells How Jesus Walked on Water

The Bible says that Jesus walked on water, but a professor of oceanography at Florida State University in Tallahassee says Christ was actually walking on a floating piece of ice.

The sixth chapter of the Gospel of John tells the story familiar to Christians: When evening came, his disciples went down to the sea, got into a boat and started across the sea to Capernaum. It was now dark, and Jesus had not yet come to them. The sea became rough because a strong wind was blowing. When they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and coming near the boat, and they were terrified. But he said to them: "It is I, do not be afraid." (John 6:16-20)

Reuters reports that FSU professor Doron Nof credits this miraculous act to an unusual combination of water and atmospheric conditions in what is now northern Israel that could have led to ice formation on the Sea of Galilee. Using statistical models to examine the dynamics of the Sea of Galilee (now known as Lake Kinneret) and records of surface temperatures of the Mediterranean Sea, Nof determined there was a period of cooler temperatures in the area between 1,500 and 2,600 years ago. This could have included the time in which Jesus lived.

Had the temperature dropped below freezing, it could have created ice to form in the freshwater lake then called the Sea of Galilee. And that ice would have been thick enough to support the weight of a man. What's more, it might have been impossible for distant observers--especially in the dark as the Gospel of John reports--to see that it was actually ice surrounded by water and not just water.

Nof calls this a "possible explanation" of how Jesus walked on water. "If you ask me if I believe someone walked on water, no, I don't," Nof told Reuters. "Maybe somebody walked on the ice, I don't know. I believe that something natural was there that explains it. We leave to others the question of whether or not our research explains the biblical account." Nof acknowledges he has received hate mail for espousing this theory. The study findings were published in the Journal of Paleolimnology

http://channels.netscape.com/whatsne...=20060405-0842

Don't hate on me, I'm just the messenger.

several points here....

1. I'm glad that this scientist is not discussing whether or not Jesus even existed, but instead is discussing what he did.

"Jesus may have raised someone from the dead, but did he walk on water? NOT POSSIBLE."

Good job, professor Nof.


2. what does it matter what Jesus walked on. If Jesus turned the water to ice, then walked on it, does that really take away from the magic trick?

I think not.


3. This reminds me of the story of the parting of the "Red Sea". If you are to read the original transcript, "Red Sea" makes no sense and really is something of a lazy attempt by the translators of our current Bible translations.

"Reed Sea" makes much more sense on many different levels and if you look at where it is/was in relation to Egypt and the path that the Israelites traveled, it would make much more sense that all of these Israelites passed through the marshy areas of the "Reed Sea" during a dry spell, to which was marshy enough to stall the Pharoah's chariots upon chasing them.

Again, does that detract from any "miracle"?


All throughout the Bible, God appears to be a God of Law, so therefore would it not make sense that God would follow His own natural laws of the universe at all times?

My opinion is that the events in the Bible are true.......just embellished.

[angel_luv]

Science owes all its ability to research to Jesus, because it is God who created everything that science studies and attempts to explain.

If more scientiest consulted God, the Creator ( the Original Manufacturer if you will), when it comes to the way people and the world (all of it God's creation) works, I believe science would realize much more correct answers and at a quicker pace.

As for this story of ... I don't know if it is it true or not.
But, I don't need to know exactly how Jesus walked on water. The Bible states that Jesus did indeed walk on water and that is information enough for me.

[clambake]

Science owes all its ability to research to Jesus, because it is God who created everything that science studies and attempts to explain.

If more scientiest consulted God, the Creator ( the Original Manufacturer if you will), when it comes to the way people and the world (all of it God's creation) works, I believe science would realize much more correct answers and at a quicker pace.

As for this story of ... I don't know if it is it true or not.
But, I don't need to know exactly how Jesus walked on water. The Bible states that Jesus did indeed walk on water and that is information enough for me.

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