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I still haven't figured out how a female can call herself a preggo man because she dresses and looks like a dude.
By ALAN B. GOLDBERG and KATIE N. THOMSON
Nov. 13, 2008
Thomas Beatie, the controversial "pregnant man" who gave birth to a daughter earlier this year, reveals to Barbara Walters in an exclusive interview that he is pregnant again with his second child.
Thomas Beatie, a transgender, welcomed a baby girl, Susan, June 29. Since sharing the story of Susan's birth with ABC News, he and his wife, Nancy Beatie, hadn't spoken to the media until they sat down last month with Walters.
Beatie, who is in his first trimester, tells Walters he did not go back on the male hormone testosterone after Susan's birth so he could have another baby.
"I feel good," he said. "I had my checkups with my hormone level, as far as the HCG. And everything is right on track." He says the baby is due June 12.
Thomas also spoke to Walters about Susan's birth, which was not via Caesarean section. He was in labor for 40 hours; Nancy Beatie cut the umbilical cord.
'We're Just a Family'
In the spring, Thomas Beatie wrote an article in the national gay magazine The Advocate, revealing that he was legally male and that he was pregnant. He released a photo showing his bearded face and pregnant belly. The news -- and the controversial photo -- ignited a media frenzy and provoked questions about traditional notions about sex and gender.
"Hiding a pregnant man is like hiding an 800-pound gorilla," he said of his decision to go public. "Nancy and I wanted to tell our story from our own mouths before it got out."
Thomas Beatie says he was surprised at how quickly the news of the "pregnant man" spread.
"I was shocked that it looped around the world in 24 hours," he told Walters. "I mean, it was on Chinese Web sites and, you know, Web sites in Romania and Russia and Brazil."
He became an instant target of the tabloids and paparazzi, and fodder for talk shows and late-night television. Some people called Thomas Beatie a freak. He received death threats, and thousands of hateful comments still litter the Internet. To this day, he continues to receive anonymous hate messages.
Since Susan's birth four months ago, he, 34, and his wife, Nancy Beatie, 46, have been living a quiet life in Bend, Ore., and have rarely been seen in public, keeping their blinds drawn and monitoring surveillance cameras that surround their property.
Despite concerns for his family's safety, Thomas Beatie says that he won't let fear rule their lives and that he feels they are a traditional family.
I still haven't figured out how a female can call herself a preggo man because she dresses and looks like a dude.
Because gender iden y is a lot more complex than male and female, and is based on a lot more than how someone dresses.
So you're telling me that having a penis or a vagina isn't what defines male or female?
Biologically, yes. But biology doesn't always dictate iden y.
Yeah dude! It is if you were born with penis or born with a vagina! I'm with you CF!
Damn I missed it
At least he's man enough to be a father, err...mother...a parent to his children.
To this day there never has been nor never will be a pregnant man. PERIOD
But does he have the balls?
gender and sex are two different things.
gender: b: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genderMore info: http://www.now.org/nnt/fall-2001/viewpoint.htmlsex: 1: either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex
Well I'd love to identify myself as a professional athlete but acting the part doesn't cons ute the reality of actually being.
I don't see how having a penis doesn't dictate gender iden y. That is by definition exactly how you identify iden y.
Wanna pretend you're something you're not....ok I don't really have a problem with it but she isn't a man. By definition she's a female who acts and wants to be a man.
The rules don't change because some chic wants to have a penis or felt she should have had one at birth. You can't all of sudden redefine iden y because you act, dress and look the part of the opposite sex.
I think you're reaching a bit CF. This gender iden y thing is something these types of people have created to distance themselves from what they truely are. Possibly because they don't like being relagated to reality to begin with. Psychologically it would make perfect sense to find any was possible to "redefine" yourself if you don't like or feel good about you're original or true iden y.
BTW I appreciate you.
Whoa I don't know who you are but give ash her password back.
School just paid off.
Now "she" is refering to herself as "he". So if she is sexed as a she then just because she acts like a he doesn't mean she is actually a he.According to Merriam-Webster, gender is “the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex” – while sex is defined as “either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male.” In other words, gender is subjective. Sex is biological.
I'm not seeing how or where the line is between gender and sex. Seems like a behavior doesn't cons ute a "sex" change. Even the article ties the two together based on "sex".
The key word is subjective. Gender is subjective. The definitions vary from person to person. So, you could have one definition of "male" and this Thomas Beatie has a completely different definition. Until there is a generally agreed upon definition of "gender" the two will be tied together.
In popular society the two are so closely connected that there really isn't a distinction. This case really brings up the subjectivity of the two, imho.
The gender is in the DNA, but the gender iden y is in the brain.
but but I have two brains
It's hard to compare the situations, as being a professional athlete usually involves several steps in which your acceptance is placed in someone else's hands. Other people have to determine whether or not you're worthy of being in the NBA, for example, but that's not necessarily the case with gender iden y. Or, perhaps even more explicitly, how one chooses to express that iden y.
Going to have to agree to disagree on this one, I think, because it seems that we have a fundamental difference in beliefs as to what cons utes iden y, and I'm not sure that either of us could make much headway in an argument.
Also a fundamental difference in beliefs as to what cons utes "reality," in this context. I don't think that a rigid male/female biological binary is "reality," so much as it is a social construct designed to put everyone into neat and tidy boxes.
Well, really, who doesn't?
Two heads doesn't mean two brains.
This is definately an agrument no one can win. Lets just talk about Viva instead.
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