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So since Carlisle sucks, that means Avery is good? I think they both are horrible in game coaches. Thus why they were available.
Every Laker fan I have ever met that has tried to talk crap about Adelman did so because of when he was a coach at Sac.
So since Carlisle sucks, that means Avery is good? I think they both are horrible in game coaches. Thus why they were available.
In the playoffs the court shrinks to a half court and they missed their big guy.
also since when did Avery become "a great coach"........last a checked the man blew a 3-1 Finals lead...and became the first head coach to lose to a 8th seeded team. Avery is a quality coach but he hasn't done anything to be thrown into the "great coach" catagory yet.....I'm fine with Adelman.
Last edited by Tmac&Luther; 11-14-2008 at 12:28 AM.
The biggest mistake Avery ever made was changing the starting lineup before th GS series - should have stuck to their guns. It made him look weak and foolish and is the biggest reason he fell out of sync with his players.
been saying it all along... avery coming in and cutting out that run and gun BS is what got that team to the next level.
the offense was fine IMO. then they had the starting lineup of terry, harris, howard, dirk, and damp or diop, that is 4 guys that can score in bunches all in different ways. they created tons of mismatch problems for just about every team in the league. it wasn't the offense, it was mental breakdowns that cost them IMO. and that is not avery's fault.
i think they were ready to make another run after their finals appearance but just happen to run into the one team that gave THEM tons of matchup problems and that was pretty much the end because they just didn't have any heart left and probably did need some kind of change, but trading harris was not it. firing avery wasn't either.
I think ADelman is a solid coach.
One thing that hasn't revealed itself is his penchant for incessant whining. It was to such a degree in both in Portland and Sacramento that his player developed the EXACT same behaviour for crying (see D'antoni in Phoenix...identical phenomenon). , I know Portland fans who called their own boy, "Cried" Drexler.
He seems MUCH more mellow in Houston these days which I think is a good thing.
This team needs to be broken up. It's not like the Mavs don't have talent. Not as much as LA, Boston, New Orleans, a healthy Houston or Utah, the class of the league. But it's a team that has enough on paper that you figure them to win at least 45 and make the playoffs.
That said, firing Avery was not a mistake. Part of the reason we're here is that he begged Cuban to make the trade for Kidd,and then quickly washed his hands of trying to make it work once he got here. I don't think Devin is ever going to be the stud that Deron or CP3 is, but he was a useful player, he was 11 years younger, and he had a reasonable contract. Those are not assets you give away. Avery did grind the team down, and that should and will cost a coach his job when he can't communicate effectively or impose his will on his team.
The main problem is that Dirk isn't effective right now and the talent around him has had its warranty expire. Stackhouse was a useful player in the 06 Finals run. Now he's got another 3 years of wear and tear on his legs and he's a bum. Diop never developed an offensive game. Dampier is the same as he ever was, a guy who frustrates you with his occasional moments of great play followed by long stretches of suckage. Josh has just completely fallen apart, a guy who was a legitimate #2 on a le-contending team to a #3 or #4 chucker on a mediocre team. I would definitely take an Al Harrington or a Mike Miller over Josh now, and there was a time where he was a legitimate 2-way stud. Jason Terry, like Stack, has had another 3 years on his legs. The team hasn't had a solid creator from the 2-guard spot since Michael Finley was waived. They got by at times with Adrian Griffin or going with a small-ball lineup of Devin and Jet, but with Josh's regression, Dirk doesn't have a second scoring threat to take the pressure and focus of defenses off of him. He's sucking right now, but he's in much the same situation Kobe was in during the post/Shaq, pre-Gasol era: keep him from going off and his teammates can't beat you. Kidd has actually been pretty good this year, but he's much more effective running up-tempo with other elite wings and forwards, as opposed to swinging the ball to the open man to brick a jumper with the Mavericks.
Had they been able to finish Miami off, they would've been the first really perimeter-oriented team since the Sonics or the Walt Frazier Knicks to win as mainly a jumpshooting team. I's amazing they got as far as they did in 06, but they had just enough rebounding, interior defense and points in the paint to make it to the Finals. But the way the team is put together now is just too much paper and not enough rocks or scissors.
Not only has the talent level and the athleticism of the team waned a bit, but it's clear that they were permanently affected by the twin traumas of Miami and Golden State. You can't put that all on Dirk, or all on Avery, or throw the rest of the supporting cast under the bus to protect Dirk or Avery. It's a collective thing, and the owner I think plays a role in that, in the sense that although he is financially and emotionally committed to winning, but he's a Jerry Jones/Steinbrenner-esque meddler. This is like a hit song that is still on heavy rotation but you're sick of it by now. The output on the court is less than the sum of the parts. I think every one of these guys would probably thrive in a new situation, or at least see their own levels of production increase. There's just a lot of bad psychology/emotion/chemisty/voodoo, whatever you want to call it, in Dallas. You can either pull a Florida Marlins and trade Dirk to tank for the next 2-3 years, or you can just send out every last bit of sans Dirk and see what you can get new to put alongside him. Personally, this thing is ed either way, so I'd rather see Dirk, Kidd + to be determined. I only move Dirk if you can get your own Al Jefferson-type upcoming stud.
I mean, how hard is it to get a 2-guard that can attack the basket? We have Gerald Green now, but there's still about 25-30 guards in this league that are better than him. Perimeter players that can get 15-20 are a dime a dozen in this league, but there's only one Kobe, one CP3, one Paul Pierce, one LeBron, etc. Dallas hasn't had even a mediocre shooting guard since Finley left. The best option they ever had was in 06 when they had Adrian Griffin, who was basically the Trent Dilfer of shooting guards - don't things up, stay the out of the way. If we're going to keep Dirk, then let's get somebody who can play off of him. Kidd can't shoot.
Devin and Josh together played well off of Dirk. I'm not one of those revisionist "Oh, we would've eventually won a le with Dirk, Devin and Josh" delusional groupies, but that team was constructed better.
He doesnt get it. He found a bright spot in being up 19, go down by 16, and losing by 7.
Not to mention the TNT crew are laughing their asses off at the Mavs. They think the Warriors are better than the Mavs. But I dont expect a guy who was watching Dancing With the Stars voting for his teams owner to understand sports that much...
Aw somebody's laughing at the Mavericks
You've been a laker fan since the gasol trade, got.
He doesnt get it. He found a bright spot in being up 19, go down by 16, and losing by 7.
Not to mention the TNT crew are laughing their asses off at the Mavs. They think the Warriors are better than the Mavs. But I dont expect a guy who was watching Dancing With the Stars voting for his teams owner to understand sports that much...That ass still sore...
I've posted my obvious bitterness over that game by deciding which nutritional foods to eat next.
That's funny a strictly remember a interview he did where he said he was strongly against the trade and wanted to keep Harris.
I just feel so bad for Maverick fans.
What Marc Cuban is doing is a disgrace to basketball. The Mavs are a rotting corpse, they have little to no developing young talent and a bunch of wornout veterans. The team has no iden y or purpose, they are stuck in basketball purgatory. The writing was on the wall last season, any smart and reasonable owner would have recognized that and began the painful rebuilding process.
If Maverick fans have any sense or desire to see their team successful again they will realize that Marc Cuban is a cancer to their team. You cannot have an owner so intricately involved in the day-to-day affairs of the team. Look at the Lakers, Jerry Buss stays the out of Phil Jackson's way.....in fact you only hear about him when he gets pulled over for DUI's or when he's ing twenty year old strippers at the Playboy Mansion.
The team needs to be completely gutted. Keep Dirk, Damp, Terry, Gerald Green and jettison the rest of that hot garbage.
Trading Devin Harris was the beginning of the bad times for Dallas. I admit that I wanted Avery out because of his lack of an offensive mind but then he did bring out the most in the team.
Dirk is starting to bug me with his suckage and lack of rebounding. Damp is showing more heart than Dirk.
I'm a fan of Mark Cuban but that's starting to grow thin too. Please get Lebron to Dallas.
i just love how some mavs fans were grilling AJ and defending the Kidd trade just a few weeks ago
now this
2-6
cubans got deep pockets but he doesnt have very good basketball knowledge.
Way to lower your expectations. You're right, a mediocre coach for a mediocre team. It's not as if we're expecting the rockets to get out of the first round or anythingOh so every team that doesn't win this year needs to fire their coach huh.
Your logic makes no damn sense, but I realize your lack of respect for Adelman's coaching goes back to the Sac/LA rivalry days......so honestly it doesn't bother me, just alot of hot air.
Uh, I don't think so. George Karl, and whoever the Knicks eliminated at least.
Avery is a liar.
It was time to Avery to go. The team had tuned him out and by then, it was pretty much over. He's not a long-term, "legacy"-type coach like Popovich, Jackson or Sloane. Same thing happened in Phoenix - it was just time for D'Antoni to go. It wasn't going to work there.
lol, knee jerk fans
gotta love em!
knee jerk fans.
So I'm guessing 8 games into this season, the team has tuned out Carlisle too.
Like I said before, was it Avery being overly controlling? Or was it the team, with their lazy, defeatist at ude, that decided they didn't want to be pushed anymore. That they'd rather be in their comfortable little world of jump shots and half-assing everything.
I'm thinking that the problem wasn't Avery, the problem is THE TEAM.
any fans who want to be blind to what a lackluster sack of the Mavericks are.
Avery absolutely lied about the Kidd/Harris trade. He absolutely got outcoached in the Miami and GS series. But I still have nobody that's answered this question - was Avery being overly harsh and a dictator, or was he trying to push the team like he always has, and the team simply quit and decided they didn't want Avery pushing them anymore?
Because the team has quit on Carlisle 8 games into this season, and he certainly hasn't acted like the Lil' Dictator that Avery was.
I will always be a fan no matter what team they roll out there but to think this is 06-07 and this team will turn it around and roll off 37 wins in 40 games is ridiculous.
They arent a good team and a team that rely's on jumpshots and plays no D is doomed. Ever wonder why the mavs cant hold leads is bc the jumpers stop falling, the D is non-existent and team make there runs off that
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