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    But answer this - who would you rather have right now? Avery or Dirk? It was one or the other. This season couldn't have gotten underway with both still in Dallas.
    At the time I would have said Dirk. Now I say Avery. This team obviously needs to be blown up anyways, and I'd rather have a coach with passion to inspire a brand new team than a washed up Tonto in desperate need of a Lone Ranger to take the lead for him.

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    I'd rather have Dirk, easily, but I'll say this: He looks tired and ragged. He even seems thinner than he normally does. That might be attributable to his obligations to the German Olympic team.
    He's starting to openly whine on the court. I saw it again last night when they put Singleton in for Dampier. The shoulders slumping, the half-ass play, the humming and sighing when talking to the media. He doesn't have it right now.

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    Avery is good to bring STRUCTURE to a team...

    but not to manipulate X's and O's

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    I'd rather have Dirk, easily, but I'll say this: He looks tired and ragged. He even seems thinner than he normally does. That might be attributable to his obligations to the German Olympic team.
    Eh, maybe on the German thing. Other guys played for their respective countries and seem to be doing just fine.

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    He's starting to openly whine on the court. I saw it again last night when they put Singleton in for Dampier. The shoulders slumping, the half-ass play, the humming and sighing when talking to the media. He doesn't have it right now.
    Yeah, I think he's extremely frustrated. Something has to change, either a change of scenery for him or new teammates.

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    Eh, maybe on the German thing. Other guys played for their respective countries and seem to be doing just fine.
    Well, he's not "Dirk" right now, for whatever reason.

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    But if Avery was so great, why wasn't his name ever so much as mentioned for some of the other job vacancies around the league? And don't bring up the Cuban-payroll thing. If Avery was as wanted as everyone wants to believe, he would at least taken the time to meet with other franchises to discuss the possibilities. As it stood, the phone never rang. Instead, he opened a car dealership, hung out with the Spurs and decided to mushmouth his way around ESPN.
    There's no doubt Avery, with his ego and personality, doesn't have a lot of friends around the league. It's still laughable when Spurs fans insist that he and Tim Duncan are BFF's.

    But it doesn't make him a bad coach. And I'm not saying they made a huge mistake by firing him. I think in hindsight it was a mistake, yes, and he certainly had his faults....but after his firing he made the point that the team wasn't as good as their record indicated for 2 years straight (correct), and that the team wasn't a playoff team as currently constructed (also correct). That, along with the way the team is playing now, leads me to believe that Avery wasn't even 1/100th of the problem that Dirk/Cuban/Donnie made him out to be.

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    , Cuban wouldnt even give up Dirk for Kobe. .
    Neither would Jerry Buss give up Kobe for Dirk. That trade was never on the table. And Dirk isn't soft. He's playing like right now, but that doesn't make him soft.

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    Wow, you know things are bad when Tony Cubes stops blogging about youtube and hedge funds long enough for this:

    http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/14/i-hate-to-lose/

    No question the start of the season has been a struggle for the Mavs and all of our fans. I guess the good news is that hopefully we are getting the bad part of the season out of the way at the beginning rather than during the end of the year, as we have the last several years.

    I hate to lose, and we are going to do everything we can to get everyone on the same page so we can finish games the same way we have been starting them.

    Thanks to all Mavs fans for hanging in there with us. I hate to lose games as much as you do, but the season is just starting. We have gone through struggles before, and Im sure we will go through them again. As will every team.

    What seperates the Mavs from other teams is that we have great fans who have stuck with us through our entire history. My committement as always, is that Im going to make sure we do everything we possibly can to set things in the right direction.

    MFFL

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    why you guys feed the trolls (mono, lakaluva)

    Anywho, I wonder what's going on w/ Dirk right now. Is he pulling a Vince carter?

    age? Olympic related fatigue? I dunno.

    I'm not gonna knee jerk . If we lose to Orlando tonight, I'll be on the knee jerk bandwagon though.

    Just enjoy the f'n games. les are hard to come by... 2006 was a lucky year for us even though the refs did us dirty.

    Superduperstar theory... les come in bunches and usually with one of the SUPER SUPER Good players... Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Shaq... Sorry Dirk isn't as good as those players jeez.

    Boston 08 and Detroit 04 are ensamble anomalies. Dallas 06 should've been one too, but ugh.

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    Blah, blah, blah...blogging. Quit blogging and ing fix something.

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    why you guys feed the trolls (mono, lakaluva)

    Anywho, I wonder what's going on w/ Dirk right now. Is he pulling a Vince carter?

    age? Olympic related fatigue? I dunno.
    If you go to the db.com boards, the prevailing theories are being physically and emotionally spent, in a good (Germany/Olympics) and a bad way (last three playoff exits), to something physical (he doesn't run the floor well and isn't getting much lift off of his left leg). Dirk is the type to play through injuries and not complain (Golden State series, coming back so soon from the high ankle sprain last year). But, yeah, he's "soft." Also, I think you're gonna see this with the guys who came into the league at 19, but Dirk has played 31,000 minutes in his NBA career. Jerry Stackhouse, who is several years older, has played 30,000. There's a lot of miles on those tires.

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    why you guys feed the trolls (mono, lakaluva)

    Anywho, I wonder what's going on w/ Dirk right now. Is he pulling a Vince carter?

    age? Olympic related fatigue? I dunno.

    I'm not gonna knee jerk . If we lose to Orlando tonight, I'll be on the knee jerk bandwagon though.

    Just enjoy the f'n games. les are hard to come by... 2006 was a lucky year for us even though the refs did us dirty.

    Superduperstar theory... les come in bunches and usually with one of the SUPER SUPER Good players... Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Shaq... Sorry Dirk isn't as good as those players jeez.

    Boston 08 and Detroit 04 are ensamble anomalies. Dallas 06 should've been one too, but ugh.
    I'm glad you're content with mediocrity. I'm not.

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    I'm not content with it... I'm vexed by what's going on right now.

    But, it HAPPENS... we WERE near the top of the Western conference for so many years... it's approaching the time where we like EVERY other franchise have to start rebuilding. Look at the Jazz, Hornets, Celtics right now... 3 of the top teams in the NBA, were lottery teams just 3 years ago.

    I'm sure you wouldn't be so upset about the NOW if we had taken care of business in 2006... but what's done is done, just gotta live with it.

    What can we do at this point anyway? You got any ideas about turning around this mediocrity?

    I for one think we can be a good team if we can click on all cylinders. It just seems like we're incapable of doing so... if Dirk has a good game, Howard/Damp/whoever will have a bad game. When Damp has a good game, Howard/Damp have a bad game. We need 3-4 players playing well at the same time but seem incapable of getting that kind of production. The last game where this happened was April 2008 v Golden State with Dirk, Kidd, Howard, and Terry having excellent games.

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    What can we do at this point anyway? You got any ideas about turning around this mediocrity?
    I've been saying to blow the team up for over a year now. Turns out I was right.

    I for one think we can be a good team if we can click on all cylinders.
    No team clicks on all cylinders all the time. Not even the Lakers. The good teams find ways to win even when they're not clicking on all cylinders. The bad teams quit like the Mavericks.

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    Dirk just needs to have sex with his sister and all will be fine. C'mon, has he not had the same career trajectory?


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    I've been saying to blow the team up for over a year now. Turns out I was right.



    No team clicks on all cylinders all the time. Not even the Lakers. The good teams find ways to win even when they're not clicking on all cylinders. The bad teams quit like the Mavericks.

    Over a year now? "Over a year ago" we were coming off a 67 win season. I don't care if you get ousted in the first round, you do NOT blow up a 67 win team. You're closer to the Finals than you are to the lottery (we were than), so why ASSURE yourselves of the lottery by blowing the team up?

    Revisionist history IMHO.

    And that is true. The Lakers are better than us and one reason is Kobe can have a bad game and they can still win. If Dirk has a bad game, we're a bad team.

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    Over a year now? "Over a year ago" we were coming off a 67 win season. I don't care if you get ousted in the first round, you do NOT blow up a 67 win team. You're closer to the Finals than you are to the lottery (we were than), so why ASSURE yourselves of the lottery by blowing the team up?

    Revisionist history IMHO.
    Ask any Mavs fan here. I was calling for it.

    I couldn't give a how many games they won....they were a first round flameout that showed very little heart and even less resiliency....the team showed all the tell-tale signs of a group that would never win a le back then.

    And actual history shows that I was right about that. The 67 win first round losers are now a ty team regardless. Should have been blown up back then.

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    If Avery was a "good coach" can anyone please explain why he's
    NOT coaching right now!

    The last time I checked, (weather he agreed with the Kidd trade or not) Avery helped make this roster.

    The only thing I agreed with is that these players are soft and that they need to make a trade for now, or for the future.

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    Avery's getting paid $12 million to sit on his ass for the next three years. He forfeits that if he gets a new coaching gig in that timeframe. He can make millions either way doing the stressful coaching thing, or sitting on his ass. I'm sure at some point he'll get the coaching bug again and forfeit the rest of what Cuban owes him, but I would be sitting at home too if I were him.

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    2 and 6.
    its ONLY 8 games...
    Jump into the Trinity, why dont you...

    No, not every trade works out for the best...
    but Cuban will make a trade to better the team...

    write.that.down

    I agree with u on your last comment I strongly believe Cuban will make some kind of a trade.

    After seeing these first 8 games, someone needs 2 go. They are doing the same stupid to lose games.

    People are jumping off bridges because they have seen this for the past 2 post seasons and these first 8 games.

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    http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/14/i-hate-to-lose/

    I Hate to Lose

    Nov 14th 2008 10:48AM

    No question the start of the season has been a struggle for the Mavs and all of our fans. I guess the good news is that hopefully we are getting the bad part of the season out of the way at the beginning rather than during the end of the year, as we have the last several years.

    I hate to lose, and we are going to do everything we can to get everyone on the same page so we can finish games the same way we have been starting them.

    Thanks to all Mavs fans for hanging in there with us. I hate to lose games as much as you do, but the season is just starting. We have gone through struggles before, and Im sure we will go through them again. As will every team.

    What seperates the Mavs from other teams is that we have great fans who have stuck with us through our entire history. My committement as always, is that Im going to make sure we do everything we possibly can to set things in the right direction.

    MFFL

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    Avery's getting paid $12 million to sit on his ass for the next three years. He forfeits that if he gets a new coaching gig in that timeframe. He can make millions either way doing the stressful coaching thing, or sitting on his ass. I'm sure at some point he'll get the coaching bug again and forfeit the rest of what Cuban owes him, but I would be sitting at home too if I were him.

    I understand that, but he had a interview with the Bulls during the offseason. And the Bulls declined because of his history with PG's. Steve Kerr GM and ex-teammate wouldn't give Avery the time of day. And here's the big one, coach Pop does not want Avery near his players.

    There's something going on behind the scenes with Avery that we as fans don't know about.

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    Vinny Del Negro > Avery

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    I understand that, but he had a interview with the Bulls during the offseason. And the Bulls declined because of his history with PG's. Steve Kerr GM and ex-teammate wouldn't give Avery the time of day. And here's the big one, coach Pop does not want Avery near his players.

    There's something going on behind the scenes with Avery that we as fans don't know about.
    Avery's a good coach, but he let his early success with the Mavs go to his head. Wouldn't let his assistants have any input, he had all the answers, etc...He'll be a great coach when he gets his ego in check.

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