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Bursitis sucks.
we have a winner... KBP you should have some fodder here...
Bursitis sucks.
I don't. The economic situation here in the US versus the lucrative, compe ive international market have rendered the Spurs strategy of drafting and stocking international players to be a very risky one.Never thought you'd support that kind of selfish team>country kind of thing...
For now, I don't want the Spurs to get get burned again by another Splitter-type fiasco. I want them to play if safe.
Having them play for their country is their right - even if we don't agree with it. I'm far less worried about that, than I am wasting draft picks that never pan out.
Exactly! With the way the league salary scales are currently setup, the Spurs can ill-afford to gamble draft picks on players that may never see the inside of an NBA arena. The Spurs have invested too many picks in this fashion as it is - which is partly why the cupboard is bare now.
For Olympic Qualifier numbers for tournament
Kaman
22.8 MPG
57.8 FG%
70.6 FT%
12.8 PPG
8.6 RPG
0.6 APG
0.4 SPG
1.2 BPG
Bourousis
15 MPG
65.2 FG%
84.6 FT%
10.5 PPG
2.8 RPG
0.5 APG
0.8 SPG
1.0 BPG
Kaman of course play more minute because his team suck bad compared to Greek team which was much deeper team.
For same minutes then numbers is
Kaman
22.8 MPG
12.8 PPG
8.6 RPG
0.6 APG
0.4 SPG
1.2 BPG
Bourousis
22.8 MPG
16.0 PPG
4.3 RPG
0.8 APG
1.2 SPG
1.5 BPG
Bourousis is great rebounder though as you can see how much superior he is in rebounding in Euroleague to Splitter and Pekovic. Reason he have less rebounds with national team is because in national team his role is play as Pf and stand at 3 point line most of time. Only sometimes is his role play center and play in post or in pick and roll.
In Olympiacos is mainly his role is play center and play in pick and roll. Even though he have same coach in both team don't ask me this is. Giannakis is obsessive coach in some ways. Of course remember this is not really serious info. For German team these was serious games but for Greek team was averaging 32 point blow out wins. So Bourousis was not even really play for real until Olympic tournament because whole Greek team was toying with teams in qualifier.
Here is Olympic numbers where of course all players had to play for real.
Kaman
19.8 MPG
48.8 FG%
90.9 FT%
10.4 PPG
6.0 RPG
0.4 APG
0.0 SPG
0.4 BPG
Bourousis
17.3 MPG
77.4 FG%
76.0 FT%
11.7 PPG
5.2 RPG
0.5 APG
1.0 SPG
0.3 BPG
Again of course Kaman play a little more minutes because Greek team was deeper. Bourousis get little better rebounds in Olympics because was use more at center by coach.
So for same minutes in Olympics numbers would be
Kaman
19.8 MPG
10.4 PPG
6.0 RPG
0.4 APG
0.0 SPG
0.4 BPG
Bourousis
17.3 MPG
13.4 PPG
6.0 RPG
0.6 APG
1.1 SPG
0.3 BPG
As can see Bourousis is also more efficient player in offense and is also solid foul shooter as Kaman is which of course is also good thing about Bourousis as most big men in NBA cannot make free throws good enough.
Last edited by Kill_Bill_Pana; 11-14-2008 at 12:47 PM.
Bourousis have NBA opt out after this season. This ONLY time he can opt out of LONG TERM CONTRACT he already have. And he can only opt out of deal to go to NBA not different Euro club. He is not make so much now in Olympiacos either. He will have to wait several years then to get big deal in Europe and of course can always get injury.
He is also not draft pick by NBA so he can sign with NBA team he want and is no rookie salary scale. This is no way similar to Splitter situation.
Like I say Bourousis defense is VERY good. He was play center in Olympics instead of PF which he play in qualifier. I am sure he is more talent than Splitter.
Thanks for the clarification
We Want Vspan The Greek Tmac!!!!!!!
end of discussion
Some American fans really have inferior complex issues. Will not even consider player that can really help Spurs because are foreign. You should know that your media lies to you about Obama. The people that is smart all over world know what you are really up to.
"We are no longer racist"
We hear ya loud and clear everytime we have to come over there and help yall get things settled. When things get out of control and there seems to be no hope. The world knows the United States of Americas phone number. And they use it everyday. Its your league thats insecure, we've got our boys stomping and taking names on your lands. Make no mistake who is insecure.Some American fans really have inferior complex issues. Will not even consider player that can really help Spurs because are foreign. You should know that your media lies to you about Obama. The people that is smart all over world know what you are really up to.
"We are no longer racist"
Josh Childress will "dominate".We hear ya loud and clear everytime we have to come over there and help yall get things settled. When things get out of control and there seems to be no hope. The world knows the United States of Americas phone number. And they use it everyday. Its your league thats insecure, we've got our boys stomping and taking names on your lands. Make no mistake who is insecure.
Yes he is so dominate with his 5 point and 5 turnover games.
you should watch "Zeitgeist"...We hear ya loud and clear everytime we have to come over there and help yall get things settled. When things get out of control and there seems to be no hope. The world knows the United States of Americas phone number. And they use it everyday. Its your league thats insecure, we've got our boys stomping and taking names on your lands. Make no mistake who is insecure.
I just want to state that I am -- in no way -- associated with Bourousis.
Dude, don't give me FIBA numbers. Kaman played on a ty team, too. FIBA is not the NBA. Kaman would eat this guy alive 1 on 1 on the block.
Something must be wrong with your ComCast service, Bill. It seems to have dropped parts of the DraftExpress article you posted. (Including the part about him shooting 60% from the FT line.) I'm a nice guy, so I'll post the rest for you:
Weaknesses
He seriously lacks mental strength. Despite his energy and athleticism, most of the times he looks like a fish out of water. Despite his ability to get in and change a game, he rarely does it. His coach doesn't trust him with significant playing time, simply because he is not trustworthy. Bouroussis has many physical skills, but hardly a clue of how to take advantage of them. Even when he enters the court, he seems passive, raw, confused and not focused at all. He is scared to take many shots and thinks about it too long, looking soft and insecure, something that opponent centers feast on. His decision making ability is at best pathetic. As a result, despite almost three years of experience in the Euroleague, he doesn't seem to have gained many things, especially in regards to experience and compe iveness and that's sad. In other words, he seems to be a lost talent.
It's clear that when you have a very talented player like Bouroussis, you need to use him in order for him to develop. Bouroussis, however, never got that. He had to fight to earn his minutes and he was never a fighter.
Skill wise, he appears to be a bit uncomfortable with his back to the basket, at that's why I honestly believe that his game is closer to an NBA Power Forward. He can finish with the right hand and he can dunk impressively, although he usually is a lay-up finisher. He has many moves inside too, but he is always confused and many times he does not to know what to do with the ball in his hands. Despite being a good perimeter shooter, his free throw shooting isn't great. He shoots around 60-62% and needs to improve here.
Defensively, he hasn't shown much. He has a problem with stronger players, but I think that his biggest difficulty is to keep up with the tempo of the game. He needs the ball in his hands, so he can make baskets and then you can see him improving on defense too. So, he doesn't really lack the fundamentals. Simply, when he feels that the he is a part of the team and he stays for significant time in the court, he will try his best and soon he can contribute on both sides of the floor. However, when he gets in for 5 minutes or less at a time, he again looks like a fish out of water. Confused Especially when he knows that he'll go out after his first turnover.
Outlook
Automatically eligible as a 1983 prospect. Could be a good player to pick up in the 2nd round and let develop in Europe, hoping that his potential materializes. He plays for AEK, and has NBA scouts watching him in practice (he plays on the same team and Nikolas Zissis) on occasion, so people know who he is and what he is capable of, despite not getting much extended playing time this year.
Comments
Potentially, I think that Bouroussis is clearly NBA material (maybe a power forward there, but he could play both frontline positions), but only if he changes his mindset. His physical tools are rare to find. He is very talented, but he is now close to 22 and I don't remember many players changing character in that age. I think it might be too late for him now and I don't think that any scout will keep his eye on him for over a month without getting frustrated.
It's a shame because he has all the skills. His basketball IQ is good. He has a basketball mind in a basketball body. He is not soft, he has completely adopted basketball fundamentals. He can work, but only if he understands that he will earn something from that. I think that he likes the game, indeed, I think he loves it, but only when he scores 1-2 baskets and then stays on the court for 10-12 minutes or so. He really seems to want to be a contributor, but he gets discouraged. He wants to be a star, but he lacks character and he doesn't allow his coach to accept the risk of giving him a starting job. He is enthusiastic, but his psyche is affected by many things. I don't really think that he realizes where he is. He plays for a top-16 Euroleague team, he is a great talent, he has scouts coming for Zissis and opponent youngsters, so he technically is still in the game. Yet, he is still full of ups and downs. He is not trustworthy, but if given the choice, I'd take the risk
Facts
Bouroussis became known to the Greek basketball fans, after a positive game in the A1 Finals versus Panathinaikos in 2003. Star Power Forward Dimos Dikoudis was injured and the then unknown 19-year old Bouroussis scored 10 points to help AEK win the game but not the finals. The year after, he didn't get the playing time one would expect though. Not much progress in his game during the past months either.
Moron. Kaman sucks completely to Bourousis. You idiots that talk crap without even having seen a player play is too much.
IDIOT
Look at date of this. I already explain he did not start play until age 18. All problems list there is now taken care of in CURRENT TIME dumbass.
how come all you do is throw out insults to everyone who disagrees with you. everyone is either stupid, a moron, or an idiot. you do realize that you are not the know all of basketball knowledge, right? you act as if you are the omnipotent one when it comes to basketball.
no one here respects you, likes you, or cares what you have to say. it doesn't help your cause that you are disrespectful, abrasive, and insulting.
maybe if you would show more humility and respect for your fellow posters, you could actually have a quality basketball discussion. however, it is obvious that a quality basketball discussion is not what you want. you want to act like a little dictator and spew your opinions without being challenged or questioned. you want us all to be mindless sheep and you our shepherd.
it doesn't work that way fella. so take your foolish nonsense, insults, and bogus insider info and go to another forum.
GO SPURS GO
Maybe... just maybe Bursitis will someday be as good as Darko.
I know arrogant dumbasses that is why. Just like these fukin idiots here. Never have see him play ever and say he suck. American arrogance is ing ridiculous.
we are arrogant cause we are the best and if you dont like it we will kick your ass and make you our ....USA USA USA
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