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woulda coulda shoulda.. beno was given enough time for him to show what he's got, but he gave us nothing. i would take hill against beno on any given night.
on the next play, he again scored on the reverse lay up against yao.
woulda coulda shoulda.. beno was given enough time for him to show what he's got, but he gave us nothing. i would take hill against beno on any given night.
Updated from earlier, this version includes Hill.
Late surge propels Spurs past Rockets
By Mike Monroe
Spurs rookie George Hill just enjoyed the game of his fledgling NBA life.
He had 17 points, six rebounds and five assists in a 77-75 comeback victory over the Houston Rockets, who came into the AT&T Center on Friday night with the best record in the Southwest Division.
Then Hill, suddenly a starter by default, got to his locker after a long shower and discovered his first NBA paycheck.
Peeking inside the envelope, he let out a low whistle.
“We get one of these every two weeks, Roger?” he asked teammate Roger Mason Jr.
“Yes, George,” Mason said, “and you earned that check tonight.”
Payday rarely has felt better for the Spurs (3-5), who finished the game with 12 unanswered points. The Rockets (5-4) didn’t score in the final 4:43.
Without a basket through the first 4:40 of the fourth quarter, they had trailed the Rockets by 14 with 7:37 remaining. But defensive effort reminiscent of their championship runs kept them from falling farther behind. Then, timely 3-point shooting got them to a crunch time situation in which they out-executed the Rockets at both ends of the floor.
Tim Duncan’s driving hook shot with 59.7 seconds remaining gave the Spurs their first lead of the second half, 76-75, and they followed with three defensive stops to ice the game.
Houston’s Ron Artest launched a 3-point attempt just before the final buzzer, and when it skidded off the back rim, the Spurs raced off the court in celebration mode endorsed by their head coach.
“I was really impressed with the 48-minute effort the guys made,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said, “especially being down 14 and not really caring who’s playing the game, and trying to give their best. So they deserve to enjoy themselves tonight.”
The Spurs came into the game averaging only 94.3 points per game, and Popovich had no idea where he might find additional offense.
Hill was the unlikely source of enough offense to augment Duncan’s steady production.
Learning on the fly, the rookie on three occasions took the ball straight at 7-foot-6 Rockets center Yao Ming, scoring over a defensive presence he said he dared not fear.
“You can’t be scared of nobody,” Hill said. “He’s a great player, but you have to play. That’s the only way I can make something happen, because he’s going to be there all night.”
Popovich noticed.
“What’s impressive about George is he’s starting to figure out how to be aggressive on a consistent basis and he’s learning a new position,” Popovich said. “For a rookie to be doing that under these cir stances is pretty impressive. He’s got a great demeanor about him and a fine mental toughness.”
The Spurs got another offensive jolt from unexpected territory. Forward Matt Bonner, who had not played a minute in the previous two games, got an early call from Popovich on Friday. He responded with 11 points in 19 minutes, 37 seconds, making three of four 3-point shots.
Mason’s defensive work on Houston’s Tracy McGrady in the final four minutes limited the Rockets’ top scorer to two shots, both of them well contested.
“No one person is going to stop a guy like T-Mac.” Mason said. “We all dug in, had great help-side defense and as a team we defended him.”
It was Duncan who had the biggest defensive play of the game, though. With 1.9 seconds remaining, his block of Aaron Brooks’ short runner on the left baseline preserved the Spurs’ lead. Mason tracked down the loose ball before it went out of bounds, forcing Brooks to foul him.
“This win is huge,” Mason said. “We felt like we gave one away in Milwaukee. Today we dug in. We missed some shots, but this team is not all about offense. It’s about our defense, getting stops and big blocked shots like Tim did, and getting loose balls and rebounds.
“Today, we scrapped for this win.”
And earned their paychecks.
Last edited by duncan228; 11-15-2008 at 02:27 AM.
And you will take a whole lot of bricks. By the time you are finished, you may be able to build a house. Actually, more like a mansion.
I don't think it's as much of an improvement, as much as I believe it's about finally seeing the real Hill.
All the indecision and lack of familiarity (the things I felt really hampered him during the summer) seem to be subsiding, thus we're starting to see the player the Spurs were so confident could contribute right away.
I really wanted a backup point/combo-guard in the draft, so I had my eye on Chalmers. I saw Chalmers as a bit of a young L.Hunter, and a guy that could contribute right away. I still feel that he would've been a good pick, and a solid contributor for years to come, but I also feel that he has nowhere near the upside of Hill.
Like most on the day of the draft, I was unfamiliar with Hill. After the Spurs picked him though, I went back and watched and read everything I could find on the kid.
Everything I found out about him lead me to believe that the Spurs found another gem, and that his summer showing was little more than an aberration.
Like Elliott said, he's like a little mini "Plastic-Man." He's got characteristics of Rondo, Harris, Ellis, (to name a few) and a toughness/demeanor that should serve him well.
Tonight Hill gave the Spur fans a glimpse of the havoc he should be able to create on both ends of the floor for years to come. Come to think of it...
George "Havoc" Hill, has a nice ring to it.
I believe in George Hill
Beno never got a chance to do the same because he couldn't win minutes away from the corpses that were brought in behind him even when Parker was out. None of his stats have changed since he left, it's just that his minutes have increased, and his team is 4-6 despite a frightfully easy schedule so far. Everybody knows he can put up numbers. He's not reliable, he's not a good teammate and he's not a winner. George Hill's made more progress in that area in three weeks than Beno did in three years.
The fact that you're trying to compare Beno to a guy who has played in five games in his life, all of them with a splint on his hand should tell you something about the validity of your position.
No, Beno never got a chance to do the same because Popo is unrealistic with his demands of players and his favoritism. And I'm not sure why you're pointing out that none of his stats have changed, only his minutes have increased, because that only beefs up my argument even more. 4-6, huh? By my count, that is more wins than the Spurs have. rofl
George Battle At ____ Hill.
The Hills - season 1
Yes, Pop was unrealistic in thinking that Beno was going to play through aches and pains, give effort on the defensive end of the floor, play defense, be aware of game situations, stay in shape, and ultimately, not bad mouth the team to the press. Pop has a funny way of only giving guys that violate those rules a couple of years before he finally tires of it.
Your argument was never that he was talented, or that he could put up numbers, your argument is that he never got a chance to show what he could do. I submit that he showed exactly what he could do on the court, and it was what he couldn't do that I spelled out above, that ultimately put him out of the organization.
Let's see, George has 3 wins in 5 games, and Beno has 4 wins in 10 games. You might want to polish up on your counting. rawful
Not sure why you're complaining about the Spurs scoring 77 and winning on a night when the Kings scored 86 and then lost in overtime, anyway. The fact that the team that Beno lost to featured a point guard starting his first NBA game should tell you the validity of your argument.
Beno is a ing piece of . I don't care if Beno is scoring 20 ppg on a ty team.
He had chances here and he completely blew them. He was lazy, played poor defense and turned the ball over when pressured. It also seems like Pop thought he didn't have much mental or physical toughness.
Beno might actually be handy right about now in Jacque Vaughn's spot, but other than that I definitely wouldn't want him on the court in the playoffs when the pressure is turned up a notch.
The Houston broadcast team made a bit of fun out of IUPUI tonight. They kept pronouncing it ooooiepooie. With the way Hill was playing tonight, they had lots of pronunciation practice.
I think that's how some people from the school pronounce it. Every opposition broadcast I've heard so far this year consists of several minutes of ooiepooie schtick, so expect to get sick of it.
I'm especially loving his body control. The way he can contort himself and still finish. I don't remember seeing that skill during summer league. Dude is fearless in that he took it right at Yao. Not once, did he get his shot blocked either. Might have surprised the big fella a bit.I don't think it's as much of an improvement, as much as I believe it's about finally seeing the real Hill.
All the indecision and lack of familiarity (the things I felt really hampered him during the summer) seem to be subsiding, thus we're starting to see the player the Spurs were so confident could contribute right away.
I really wanted a backup point/combo-guard in the draft, so I had my eye on Chalmers. I saw Chalmers as a bit of a young L.Hunter, and a guy that could contribute right away. I still feel that he would've been a good pick, and a solid contributor for years to come, but I also feel that he has nowhere near the upside of Hill.
Like most on the day of the draft, I was unfamiliar with Hill. After the Spurs picked him though, I went back and watched and read everything I could find on the kid.
Everything I found out about him lead me to believe that the Spurs found another gem, and that his summer showing was little more than an aberration.
Like Elliott said, he's like a little mini "Plastic-Man." He's got characteristics of Rondo, Harris, Ellis, (to name a few) and a toughness/demeanor that should serve him well.
Tonight Hill gave the Spur fans a glimpse of the havoc he should be able to create on both ends of the floor for years to come. Come to think of it...
George "Havoc" Hill, has a nice ring to it.
Yao may have thought he was Hairston and been afraid of him...
Perhaps you should be in the Kings forum.
Beno is gone...get over it!
What Popo fails to realize, some players just aren't great defenders. It isn't like you can just give effort and you'll suddenly become a great defender. And if I was Beno, not only would I have bad-mouthed Popo while I was here for not playing me, but right now I would be shooting talk back to Popo being a starting point guard on a team with more wins than his club.
And that increased playing time stat you just threw out there did just that. It showed that if given the opportunity, he will produce.Your argument was never that he was talented, or that he could put up numbers, your argument is that he never got a chance to show what he could do. I submit that he showed exactly what he could do on the court, and it was what he couldn't do that I spelled out above, that ultimately put him out of the organization.
Except comparing player to player wasn't my argument, it was team related. And if you want to go deeper into it, individually, George Hill currently has an efficiency rating of 6, which is down right terrible. Beno's is almost twice as high. Try again.Let's see, George has 3 wins in 5 games, and Beno has 4 wins in 10 games. You might want to polish up on your counting. rawful
I'm not complaining, simply showing evidence that Hill did not have the great game everyone here seems to think he had. If you're the starting point guard, and your team only scores 77 points, sorry... you didn't have a great game. Not to mention his numbers weren't all that impressive to begin with.Not sure why you're complaining about the Spurs scoring 77 and winning on a night when the Kings scored 86 and then lost in overtime, anyway. The fact that the team that Beno lost to featured a point guard starting his first NBA game should tell you the validity of your argument.
Yeah, that isn't new.I think that's how some people from the school pronounce it. Every opposition broadcast I've heard so far this year consists of several minutes of ooiepooie schtick, so expect to get sick of it.
No. I'm sick of this type of at ude. Fans should not just turn their head the other way when their front office and coaching staff repeatedly up. That's why New York has the best fans in the world. They actually know what is going on and are always knowledgeable and critical when it's appropriate... and more importantly, they let everyone know about the shortcomings of their franchises, and let the franchise know it isn't acceptable.
Beno is gone...get over it!
OK. Bring me up to speed. What did my man Hairston do to Yao in the preseason?
You're right. This is all on the front office. I'm sure Beno's word ethic, of lack thereof, had nothing to do with it.
His work ethic has sure hampered him in Sacramento! Let me tell you!
Beno didn't belong on this team.
If you're such a big fan, why can't you just be happy that he's found a place where he DOES belong?
Why focus on the past?
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