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what is your current occupation?
i am curious, what are your other examples?
is one of them corey maggette? is the other one tiago splitter?
artest-i think we had a shot at him during the season but he traded for kurt thomas instead. i honeslty believe that kurt would have been a better fit at that moment. with the benefit of hindsight, artest would probably have been better. but theres no way to know that, we took a calculated risk.
the kings got a potential lottery pick in green and an expiring contract. not sure how weere supposed to offer something better. what did you have in mind?
what is your current occupation?
No. Actually, he didn't. He had NEVER played Michael Finley at power forward up until the Mavs series.
I think you're missing the point. Yes, the Manu foul was one of the most bone-headed plays in sports history. The point is, it should have never came down to that. He let a rookie head coach dictate how he was going to play. When you are the superior team, you make them match up with YOU. By the way, has Popo ever heard of a zone? I'm pretty certain he doesn't understand the concept of taking a team out of an offensive rhythm. He only knows how to ugly up the game and play a slow-pace and act like it's great defense that's being played, when in reality he's just relied on great players to make him look like he knows what he's doing.
Let's see. I'll list a few of them off the top of my head.
1) Stephen Jackson
2) Luis Scola
3) Beno Udrih
4) Tiago Splitter
5) Ron Artest
6) Kurt Thomas for a first round draft pick
7) Damon Stoudamire
8) Nick Van Exel
9) Brent Barry (letting him walk)
10) Robert Horry (letting him stay... entirely too long)
I don't see how it's relevant but I'm in law school.
He got into games. What he couldn't do was stay in games. That's on him. It was an experiment that the team tried for years before giving up on him.
So Beno gets excuses for his team, but having a 3-2 record on a team without Parker, Ginobili or Mahinmi isn't something to be proud of, especially for a rookie?
Barry and Finley could keep from turning the ball over, showed up in shape, played through injury, and took good shots, not to mention that they earned their way into the NBA long before they showed up in San Antonio. And if the first five games of the Spurs season didn't convince you that offense without defense means you lose then there's really no ing help for you.
Do you want to compare team winning percentage? Hill wins. What other way is there of comparing team contributions?
And the team won. They've won three of his first five starts. He's contributed at both ends of the floor.
Hill's team won, and needed five fewer minutes to do it. Beno's team lost, and he needed the extra time to get a couple more points on his stat sheet. The point is more the word "win" and the word "loss". Perhaps you might focus on that, but it won't help your argument, so maybe you'd be better off continuing to avoid it.
Hmm, so Hill is 20 years old when we're talking about being fresh or athletic, but the fact that he has only five games experience doesn't enter into the equation for you, huh? Nor would the age of his teammates on the second night of a back to back. Just keep focusing on that point total, because that's all that really matters in the end.
Ah, yes. Because Rafer Alston = Steve Nash. Of course you'd say that. Given your knowledge of point guards, how could you not?
Clearly, whatever issues you have about Beno should be confined to discussions about Beno, because he's no longer on this team. You really should be ashamed of yourself for calling yourself a Spurs fan and rooting so hard for the failure of one of their players.
I'm bored smackin' you around. It bores me.
G.Hill looks really good tonight. Really great if he can be at this level on a consistent basis. we'll see.
But there will always be a lot of overreaction about him considering he's playing PG like tony and that most of spurs fan on this forum don't like TP.
Let Hill makes two more games at 15 pts and 5 assists and the "trade TP" threads will come. You will never see it, fortunately, for Manu if mason makes good games. not to talk about Tim if Ian makes some good games. It is what it is.
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Idk about most, nkdlunch only likes pure PG's, that's what it was.
No, it's on the head coach, actually. You can't develop if not given sufficient opportunities, which he clearly was not given. Proof is in the pudding, you can voice your opinion all you want. I will go by facts, AKA his stats once he got to Sac as the starting PG.
First, I just have to laugh you added Mahinmi to that list, as if he has ever done ANYTHING in this league. Now that that's out of the way... George Hill has Tim Duncan, one of... if not the best player in the league (outside of LeBron, because he is in another stratosphere). Basically all he is asked to do most of the time is throw the ball to Duncan, even other teams have eluded to this. It isn't a hard job. Beno is asked to do much more, the defense keys in on him much more also.So Beno gets excuses for his team, but having a 3-2 record on a team without Parker, Ginobili or Mahinmi isn't something to be proud of, especially for a rookie?
Too much has been made on this board of Beno somehow being some sort of turnover machine, simply because of a couple of bad games on a big stage. Yes, he got his pocket picked by Lindsey Hunter a couple of times. Wow. He clearly can't play the point! And yes, without defense... on a team this ty, you do lose. I agree.Barry and Finley could keep from turning the ball over, showed up in shape, played through injury, and took good shots, not to mention that they earned their way into the NBA long before they showed up in San Antonio. And if the first five games of the Spurs season didn't convince you that offense without defense means you lose then there's really no ing help for you.
Stats... +/-, PER, etc.Do you want to compare team winning percentage? Hill wins. What other way is there of comparing team contributions?
To the tune of 7 points and 2 assists per game so far this year.And the team won. They've won three of his first five starts. He's contributed at both ends of the floor.
Perhaps you need to look at the standings, first of all. Second of all, go to NBA.com and compare the players, because you are obviously delusional and a homer.Hill's team won, and needed five fewer minutes to do it. Beno's team lost, and he needed the extra time to get a couple more points on his stat sheet. The point is more the word "win" and the word "loss". Perhaps you might focus on that, but it won't help your argument, so maybe you'd be better off continuing to avoid it.
Sure, he doesn't have the experience Beno has. I thought that was obvious. What I also thought was obvious, is that Hill is not on Beno's level. Maybe he will be in the future. He isn't now.Hmm, so Hill is 20 years old when we're talking about being fresh or athletic, but the fact that he has only five games experience doesn't enter into the equation for you, huh? Nor would the age of his teammates on the second night of a back to back. Just keep focusing on that point total, because that's all that really matters in the end.
No, but it's still a big change to have your regular starting point guard out. And you're acting as if Nash is some sort of defensive stopper. Now THAT is laughable.Ah, yes. Because Rafer Alston = Steve Nash. Of course you'd say that. Given your knowledge of point guards, how could you not?
I'm not rooting for the failure of Hill. I've actually been satisfied with what he's done. Would I rather have Beno? Of course. Can Hill help that the front office and Popo are both -ups? No, he can't. I hope he becomes better than Beno. The only person I really wish bad things upon is Popo . I hope somehow he's forced to step down, so a real coach can be brought in.Clearly, whatever issues you have about Beno should be confined to discussions about Beno, because he's no longer on this team. You really should be ashamed of yourself for calling yourself a Spurs fan and rooting so hard for the failure of one of their players.
Hm... except... not.I'm bored smackin' you around. It bores me.
i laughed at nearly all of them.
you claimed you could do better, i wanted to see why youre so y.
I laugh about it, too. But it isn't a good laugh.
Goodnight.
As a former Beno supporter let me say he sucks. Can the tool bring the ball up the court yet on his own? Guarantee the Kings will be searching for a quality starting PG next year. Maybe they'll be hoping to get Hill in a trade.
LOL it was something like top 60 protected second round pick wasn't it? We basically paid to get him out of here. Which was a good deal.Still is.
Oh and props to Hill, I'm one of those who've been seriously doubting the FO desicion to draft Hill instead of Arthur but last night Hill was damn impressive, hope he keeps it up cuz he's a really nice guy and easy to root for.
So I'm guessing BG = Bulgaria? Belgrade?
Anyway welcome to the forum.
I was thinking the exact same thing, Andres Biedrins and Kelenna Azubuike of Golden State are two players that I think could really be a nice fit.
Just watched the NBA top ten plays, and no love for the Spurs, like usual. Kobe gets 3 ing plays, but Hill going through/over/you-name-it-he-did-it-to Yao thrice, and nada. And the tenth play was a copy of Tolls steal and dunk, but IIRC Toll actually stole the ball from his man, all this dude had to do was be sneaky and pretend he was just running back to set up on D. Whatever, Sheed assraped the Lakers, it's all good.
He did very well. I never disliked him as a player -- you'll see my final desire for the draft was Courtney Lee and then George Hill in the second round. My issue was that we drafted a dedicated backup in the first round. That Parker went down doesn't make it a great pick; that's just good/bad luck. I'm glad he's doing well.
Hill is fully capable of being a PG/SG in a three man rotation particularly as he has a frame to get a heckuva lot stronger. Ultimately he can easily get 30 minutes in a Spurs rotation and is immeasurable versatility as a defender. Spurs made a smart choice and right now or soon fans would be cursing the FO if theey'd let Hill slip and he was picked by Boston or LA as was rumored. Right now potential wise Hill leads the pack of available players at their draft position.
i hope an opportunity arises where Pop would field Hill, Tony, Manu, Mason and Tim for some small ball action.
seems like hill has more potential than parker
if hill has the floater with his jumpshot, defense....hill>tp+cp3+deron...yeh thats right he school 3 of them at once if he wanted too
I don't understand all the bashing and flaming in this thread..lol
Based on Hills physical makeup(long arms), athleticism, and mindset the front office believed he could turn into a potentially good player. The fact that they were moving him from SG to PG should have told you the kid would need some time to adjust. Not to mention also that you can't grow your game unless you get minutes on the court.
He doesn't look rattled out there at all. So you know he doesn't lack confidence. He's starting to get a swagger out there.
I can't help but think of the Matrix when Morpheous is talking about Neo and he says "He is beginning to believe."
And we are beginning to believe in him also. Thats how I felt watching last nights game atleast.
you can't tell out of his/hers IP?
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