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whottt, you are ashamed America voted a guy named Hussein?
WTF?
Of course you did. The only other people trying to make most of your arguments wear tin foil hats and have nappies after num num. The fact that no one credible was trying to make the same arguments should have, however, been a clue.
Massive voter fraud = no ...but... Massive voter apathy = YES!
At least say ala peanut butter sandwiches when you post this kind of magic trick.
More corrupt than the administration of the last eight years would require some amazing effort. I think you should maybe retire the predictions for the moment.
If we're not going to ever recover, what does it matter what happens in four years?
Wait around long enough and anything's possible.
whottt, you are ashamed America voted a guy named Hussein?
WTF?
whottt the , is right!
I am quite sure you can guess one of them, he is sort of the board recognized genius. The other is just my personal impression.
I'm the other.
The former would be Extra Stout. Pretty easy consensus. He is at the very least one of the most educated guys I have seen.
The second... not so easy. I would say scott (the economics professor).
You guys are way off.
It's clearly Galileo and Wild Cobra.
FWDT and ES and its not even close.
stout strikes me as a VERY smart guy. Whott is smart too... but also, quite insane.
Most of us here aren't as smart as we think we are. Some of us are worse at hiding it than others.
it still sucks. oh well, are you gonna sit there sulking or are you gonna get off yer ass and start doing something about it? it all starts with getting the rhinos out of Congress, and using the Republican primaries to do so.
-Mars
which rino's?
John Warner of my home state would be a start.
-Mars
Honestly, I think everybody here on the forums are pretty smart individuals. Some are a little misguided or have crazy opinions, but they are still smart nonetheless.
he voted 83.4% of the time with his party.
not enough?
+Over 9000
Breaking news!
August 31, 2007, 2:57 pm
Senator Warner Announces Retirement
By Kate Phillips
Senator John Warner, 80, just announced that he would retire from his seat in Virginia at the end of his term.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...es-retirement/
Yes, the GOP needs to become even more conservative. They were clearly punished on November 4th for not being conservative enough.
well yes, we put a moderate as the front-runner, and look what happened. compare that to Prop 8 in CA, one of the most "liberal" states in the Union. conservatism wins when it's on the ballot.
-Mars
McCain is pretty conservative. And his extremely conservative running mate frightened off everybody that isn't a right-wing Republican. So yes, in the interests of an enduring progressive majority, keep drifting rightward.
That you think McCain is a "moderate" is frightening. He has an extremely conservative voting record. He just doesn't enjoy pandering to right-wing Evangelicals.
Blacks as a group are extremely phobic. Increased turnout for Obama in California meant the passage of Prop 8. Blacks supported Prop 8 by a margin of 70-30. Has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism and everything to do with phobia in the black community.and look what happened. compare that to Prop 8 in CA, one of the most "liberal" states in the Union. conservatism wins when it's on the ballot.
extremely conservative? shows what you know about conservatives. ask anyone who's even partially right wing and they will tell you McCain is a moderate. during the primaries I had more trouble with him that any other candidate, save Ron Paul. There's McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy, the Gang of 12, cap and trade, global warming, and the Bush tax cuts to name a few.McCain is pretty conservative. And his extremely conservative running mate frightened off everybody that isn't a right-wing Republican. So yes, in the interests of an enduring progressive majority, keep drifting rightward.
That you think McCain is a "moderate" is frightening. He has an extremely conservative voting record. He just doesn't enjoy pandering to right-wing Evangelicals.
Blacks as a group are extremely phobic. Increased turnout for Obama in California meant the passage of Prop 8. Blacks supported Prop 8 by a margin of 70-30. Has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism and everything to do with phobia in the black community.
phobic? lmao, it's called conservative principles.
-MarsIt isn't that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.
Yes, dumbass, look at his voting record. There's plenty there to warm the conservative heart.
By your standards, he's too "moderate." By normal, well-adjusted person standards, he's conservative.shows what you know about conservatives. ask anyone who's even partially right wing and they will tell you McCain is a moderate.
Oh yes, Ron Paul and his opposition to neoconservative foreign policy. If you believe in unfettered war so much, why don't you head on down to your local recruiting office. Otherwise, you're a chickenhawk.during the primaries I had more trouble with him that any other candidate, save Ron Paul.
Discrimination is "conservative principles?" No wonder your side got your asses kicked in two successive election cycles. I just love that the GOP is becoming a regional sect and the home of white, evangelical Christians. If you're not a white, evangelical christian, then the GOP has no appeal. The GOP's only choice is to either join the 21st century or become a permanent minority party.phobic? lmao, it's called conservative principles.
I DID look at his voting record you dumbass, and I listed various instances in which conservatives did not agree with him, which you basically ignored. there's a reason why when he was nominated people though he wouldn't win because conservatives wouldn't care enough to vote for him. you have to be ting me if you're trying to say that he was a conservative.Yes, dumbass, look at his voting record. There's plenty there to warm the conservative heart.
By your standards, he's too "moderate." By normal, well-adjusted person standards, he's conservative.
Oh yes, Ron Paul and his opposition to neoconservative foreign policy. If you believe in unfettered war so much, why don't you head on down to your local recruiting office. Otherwise, you're a chickenhawk.
Discrimination is "conservative principles?" No wonder your side got your asses kicked in two successive election cycles. I just love that the GOP is becoming a regional sect and the home of white, evangelical Christians. If you're not a white, evangelical christian, then the GOP has no appeal. The GOP's only choice is to either join the 21st century or become a permanent minority party.
it's called attacking them before they us over again. and since there hasn't been another attack, it seems to be working.
it's not ing discrimination. they can have civil unions and be gay and do whatever, but they cannot change the ins ution of marriage. sorry. quite honestly it's not a priority in my book compared to abortion but it's still a conservative principle. and no, the GOP is for anyone who believes in the principles of limited government and the rule of law. not just white people, not just Christians. anybody. i love how Democrats just love to use the race/religion card all the time to paint the Republicans, but get all riled up when we call them out on it.
-Mars
Boom shakalaka.
I don't see how you can possibly attribute allegiance to "conservative values" to African Americans as a demographic. Even with White Democrats running, they vote 85% or more for the Democratic party. They tend towards the liberal end of things on most policies. However, sad as it is to say, black culture does tend towards phobia.
As proof, I'd like to cite a 2007 ABC/Wash. Post poll from late 2007. On the issue of Civil Unions, which a strong majority of Americans support (55 to 42), blacks only supported it at a 45% level. Whites were at 56%. That is a significant gap that goes almost directly against each macro-ethnic group's party leanings.
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