Pregnant "Man" Pregnant Again

[I. Hustle]

That's been my suggestion since my third post in this thread.

Then let's just kiss and make up

[CuckingFunt]

Then let's just kiss and make up

I don't swing that way.

[Tully365]

gimme a break. Now you're just getting bogged down in semantics. Gender and sex mean the same thing in most of the modernized countries of the world.

what if I were to darken my skin and curl my hair because while growing up even though the other white kids like to play the piano, I liked to play basketball which just proved what I had always known: I was a Black man on the inside.

Does that mean I now can apply to the United Negro College Fund?
Of course not. It's the same reason (most) sport organizations do not recognize a transgendered athlete. They don't want guys going around cutting off their manhoods just so they can go out and dominate the women's sports circuits.
If Yao had a sex change, even if underwent the hormone therapy, he would still average about 85 points a game because of his sheer size alone.

If you're a chick that uses hormone therapy to grow a beard and wants to look like a man, fine, just don't try to tell me you are a man if you get pregnant. It doesn't work and it confuses the out of my wife and kids that think you have a natural born peenus.

These media outlets aren't calling her a man because they are respecting her iden y. They are calling her a man because they make more money by saying "look, we have a pregnant man on our show"

But just as there actually are people in this world who are literally both white and black (Our president-elect for one), Nature does occasionally produce actual hermaphrodites or intersexuals, who have characteristics of both genders. Granted, this isn't common, but it does happen. How would you classify them? Haven't you known women and men your entire life who clearly seem either much more or less feminine or masculine than their peers? I'd say that along with different socializing factors, a lot of it has to do with varying levels of testosterone, estrogen, etc-- these biological chemicals are very similar to drugs which the human body cannot resist reacting to. No one would reasonably expect a group of test subjects who've been given large doses of cocaine to behave as calmly as test subjects who've been given large doses of valium... and in my opinion, many of the chemicals, neurotransmitters, and other biological elements of human beings are pretty much the same.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

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[Obstructed_View]

Dude's wife needs to get a vasectomy.

[Blake]

But just as there actually are people in this world who are literally both white and black (Our president-elect for one), Nature does occasionally produce actual hermaphrodites or intersexuals, who have characteristics of both genders. Granted, this isn't common, but it does happen. How would you classify them? Haven't you known women and men your entire life who clearly seem either much more or less feminine or masculine than their peers? I'd say that along with different socializing factors, a lot of it has to do with varying levels of testosterone, estrogen, etc-- these biological chemicals are very similar to drugs which the human body cannot resist reacting to. No one would reasonably expect a group of test subjects who've been given large doses of cocaine to behave as calmly as test subjects who've been given large doses of valium... and in my opinion, many of the chemicals, neurotransmitters, and other biological elements of human beings are pretty much the same.

that's not the issue here.

The issue is that this woman is being called a man when she is pretty clearly not a man. She is not a hermaphrodite and has no sign of any male parts other than what she has modified her body with.

Have you seen those people that think that they are animals? Like that tiger dude that tatooed his body with stripes and had long whiskers implanted?

If there was a chick that looked like a tiger and wants to be called a tiger that got pregnant, should the headline read: "Tiger pregnant with human baby"?

[Tully365]

that's not the issue here.

The issue is that this woman is being called a man when she is pretty clearly not a man. She is not a hermaphrodite and has no sign of any male parts other than what she has modified her body with.

Have you seen those people that think that they are animals? Like that tiger dude that tatooed his body with stripes and had long whiskers implanted?

If there was a chick that looked like a tiger and wants to be called a tiger that got pregnant, should the headline read: "Tiger pregnant with human baby"?

Ah, but what if the analogy was more like this: a lion and a tiger mate: what do you call the offspring? Again, this is rare, but it does happen in nature. My point is more along the lines of I find it plausible that a person can have the outer signs of one gender but more the chemical make-up of the other gender. Most people react to people like this by pointing out the seemingly crossed wires of typical gender characteristics. If a bunch of regular guys sitting in a bar see a typical "bull " walk in and she has large biceps, short hair, a thick neck, etc., the chances are one of them is going to say, "dude, she looks like a guy!" And in many ways, she does: due probably to a higher than average level of testosterone and other possible factors, she has more masculine and fewer feminine characteristics than the average woman.

[The sone]

[Blake]

Ah, but what if the analogy was more like this: a lion and a tiger mate: what do you call the offspring? Again, this is rare, but it does happen in nature. My point is more along the lines of I find it plausible that a person can have the outer signs of one gender but more the chemical make-up of the other gender. Most people react to people like this by pointing out the seemingly crossed wires of typical gender characteristics. If a bunch of regular guys sitting in a bar see a typical "bull " walk in and she has large biceps, short hair, a thick neck, etc., the chances are one of them is going to say, "dude, she looks like a guy!" And in many ways, she does: due probably to a higher than average level of testosterone and other possible factors, she has more masculine and fewer feminine characteristics than the average woman.

who cares what you call the offspring? It has the genes of both. The only way this "man" was pregnant was that he wasn't a man at all.

at the end of the day, the bull is still a woman

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Why is anyone in this thread arguing with CF? She is undoubtedly the forum expert on transgender matters. I mean, who here could have a firmer grasp on the issues than he does? As soon as I read her comments all I could say was "he's absolutely correct."

Lock this thread down because there's nothing more to discuss.

[Iakchos Kadmos]

Is ok. In Greece this story is publish so many times. You see our women are very hairy and sometimes to be having penis as well.

[Tully365]

who cares what you call the offspring? It has the genes of both. The only way this "man" was pregnant was that he wasn't a man at all.

at the end of the day, the bull is still a woman

This debate is interesting, because there are other posters in different threads saying that Obama, despite having a white mother, should still be considered a black man because anyone seeing him on the street would see him as that. How do you stand on that subject?

[Blake]

This debate is interesting, because there are other posters in different threads saying that Obama, despite having a white mother, should still be considered a black man because anyone seeing him on the street would see him as that. How do you stand on that subject?

where do I stand? What, am I running for office?

Have you seen Tropic Thunder where Robert Downey Jr is trying to come off as a Black man?

I wouldn't compare this woman to Obama at all.......I would compare her to Robert Downey Jr.

[Tully365]

where do I stand? What, am I running for office?

Have you seen Tropic Thunder where Robert Downey Jr is trying to come off as a Black man?

I wouldn't compare this woman to Obama at all.......I would compare her to Robert Downey Jr.

That might be the best comparison yet!

But even Eminem and Clarence Thomas deserve a shot at happiness, no?

[Blake]

That might be the best comparison yet!

But even Eminem and Clarence Thomas deserve a shot at happiness, no?

of course they do, but if Eminem has another kid, I don't want to see the headlines read "Black rapper Eminem has another kid on the way"

[ashbeeigh]

On Larry King Live tonight I won't be watching

[I. Hustle]

On Larry King Live tonight I won't be watching

I'm with the rasist. I'm not watching either

[Shaolin-Style]

Dress and behave like a man and get pregnant and be famous basically?

Boring.

[The Franchise]

I am sure I am not the first person to say this, but...

She is not a man.

I am quite sick of seeing on TV that says "He's pregnant...again!"

He is not a ing "he". She was born a woman that decided to cut her hair, wear guy clothes and paint a nasty mustache on her face.

And the lemmings in Oprah's audience lap that up. "Oh this" and "Oh that".

She is a chick, you ing nitwits! Of course she got pregnant, she has a uterus for chrissakes!

/rant

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Now you're free to act how you want but the bottom line is natural facts just won't back your argument.

[johnsmith]

Why is anyone in this thread arguing with CF? She is undoubtedly the forum expert on transgender matters. I mean, who here could have a firmer grasp on the issues than he does? As soon as I read her comments all I could say was "he's absolutely correct."

Lock this thread down because there's nothing more to discuss.

[jack sommerset]

This is getting to be to much. Society decided it was OK for guys to have sex with each other (more often than not) and now look what it has turned into. Sex changes, guys getting pregnant,trannys, its time Society takes it back. Guys quick screwing each other. You are perverted.

[Creepn]

Very interesting topic. I honestly never seen it as the point of view as CF put it and thank you for that. But my initial reaction still aligns with Dark Reign's.

[CuckingFunt]

Why is anyone in this thread arguing with CF? She is undoubtedly the forum expert on transgender matters. I mean, who here could have a firmer grasp on the issues than he does? As soon as I read her comments all I could say was "he's absolutely correct."

Lock this thread down because there's nothing more to discuss.

[Tully365]

This is the Larry King Interview:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/18/lkl.beatie.qanda/

This is the part of the interview that might make Lou Reed go back and record another verse to Walk on the Wild Side:

King: Where did you learn how to do this? From the Internet, you said, right. You can't have the normal kind of intercourse, right?

Thomas: We can.

King: Oh.

Nancy: Not to make a baby.

Thomas: Because of hormones, my -- my clitoris has enlarged and it looks like a penis. I can have intercourse with my wife.

King: That's fascinating to me. I didn't know that. So you have a clitoris that looks likes a penis so it can fit into having love relations?

Thomas: Basically.

Nancy: I'm the mother.

Thomas: I'm the father.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Regardless of how "she" or "he" defines "her" or "him" self, there's nothing out of the ordinary going on here. This is a female (as in born with a woman's reproductive system) becoming pregnant through artificial insemination I imagine. The only place where she's a he is in her mind. I don't really understand what is news worthy about it. People are en led to do whatever they want, but don't try and sell people on the whole "pregnant man" bull .