Are our bigs that pathetic that our PG pulls more rebounds than they do? Something has to be done about this? Orberto, Thomas, and Bonner need to start crashing the boards. Its a joke these guys are getting outrebounded by George Hill. If I were Pop I would call them out in team meetings and embarrass them by saying they are getting outrebounded by a PG.
Hill's a ball-hawk...no surprise there. He first showed that effort to Spurs fans in Summer League. I wasn't so impressed with 5 rebounds, though. I was surprised with 8 assists in 20 minutes. Hill definitely lost his focus, though, once B-Davis D'ed up on him in the 4th quarter.
I'll give you that, but Fab played right around 14 minutes and had 0 rebounds. Thomas only had 2 rebounds in 15 minutes and Bonner had 4 rebounds in 17 miuntes. So in 36 minutes combined, our bigs had a total of 6 rebounds. So that long rebounds thing doesn't work for me in last nights game.
I understand in some games there are a lot of long rebounds, but that was not the case last night.
Bigs will bust their ass concentrating on blocking out their man and that opens the door for guards to pull boards. Plus Hill does crash the boards rather than work for the outlet pass
Just a FYI, something I've noticed - Hill with those lanky arms has a habit of stealing those defensive rebounds just as one of the spurs' big guys is about to grab it.
I'd be more concerned if Hill was outrebounding them all on the offensive board, though I wouldn't be surprised if he is doing that too, he is very quick to the ball.
When Duncan, Kaman and Camby have 15, 13 and 9 rebounds there are not many rebonds available for the other bigs. Guards does not fight for the same rebounds.
I agree they should have had more rebounds but I don't think it is relevant to look at Hill numbers.
He's just getting the rebounds he's supposed to get after people shoot shots.
I thought Hill was getting frustrated with the refs too, people say the spurs are chronic floppers, but Baron Davis flopped not once, but twice and the gullible - officials who you would think would be wise to this sort of thing by now fell for it both times.
Officials: Derrick Collins , Gary Zielinski , Eddie F. Rush - just made my ty official list
I hear all of what you all are saying, but NO rebouns for Oberto??? C'mon. Two for Thomas. That is more than just Hill having a nose for the ball or having long arms.
Mason's done a fair amount of hustling for rebounds as well. That's probably the one aspect where a Hill/Mason back court is equal to Manu/Tony. Part of the issue is that it feels like the Spurs are both taking more jumpshots and forcing more jumpshots from their opponents. Their two best finishers are sidelined and Tim is locking down the paint like he did in his MVP years. That of course leads to more long rebounds for perimeter players to chase.
With that said, Oberto and Thomas need to step up their games. I'm confident that they can as the season wears on, but to be honest as long as someone with a Spurs jersey is pulling them down I don't care who it is.
When your older and cannot get up you have to start using your head. So you have to concentrate on blocking out and using your body. Kaman and Camby can still get up and there is no way Oberto and Thomas can pull down rebounds off the rim. Best thing to do is make sure your man doesn't get it and let a guard fly in
Yor are correct, sir. There is no way to get around this issue. It is the "elephant in the room". The lack of rebounding from the rest of the bigs is pathetic. It also puts even more pressure on Duncan to nab at least 10 or more in every game. The Spurs are fortunate that Hill and Mason are such good rebounders for their positions. Since rebounding is about heart and desire, think about what that tells us about Hill and Mason. More importantly, think about what that doesn't tell us about Oberto, KT and Bonner.
Now that the Spurs are finding themselves defensively, their efforts are often negated by allowing the opposition extra possessions by way of offensive rebounds. Some of the recent close games wouldn't be as close if the team could keep the opposition of the offensive glass.
This is why we need to upgrade the 5 spot and the 3 if possible. A good reason we are just 5-5
It's true that outside of Timmy our bigs aren't very good rebounders. They can't jump and it's not unusual to see an opposing player jump over their back and pull in a board. I think Bonner is especially weak in this regard. When he's in there always seem to be scrums right under the basket after an opponent miss.
Aside from more aggressive boxing out I'm not sure there's much our bigs can do though. Splitter would have been huge in helping us address this.
We're fortunate that Hill and sometimes Mason and Udoka are pretty good at rebounding from other positions.
I honestly don't believe you should group Bonner in there. In 17:25 of PT, he got 4 boards - all defensive (and this is where we need them). On Sunday in 27mins he had 7. Bonner isn't the problem, its Oberto always trying to tap it out and Thomas just being a day late to boxing his man out.
But you don't think Oberto's zero in 14mins or Kurt's two in 15 were a problem at all? If there's a scrum for a board, its because someone's fighting for it. You see Timmy fighting all game, difference is, he's among the best ever. Most don't have the physical gifts or presence on the boards Tim's got.I think Bonner is especially weak in this regard.
Last edited by z0sa; 11-18-2008 at 11:33 AM.
Oberto was a post defender most of the night and there were alot of long rebounds.
Sometimes it happens.
In 10 games, the Spurs have let their opponents grab more offensive rebounds than they have in eight of those games. Last night the Clippers had 14 offensive rebounds and the Spurs had five. Against the Kings, the Kings grabbed 10 offensive rebounds to the Spurs five. Against Houston, the Rockets had 14 offensive rebounds to our seven. Those are extra opportunities for the opponent to score.
Orion, I honestly trying to understand your point and its a good one, but when it comes to Oberto and Thomas, its unexcusable. They need to crash the boards. Plain and simple.
They are not athletic and its not easy to crash the boards if the guys your defending are much more athletic. They have to use their strengths and unfortunately jumping is not one of them. You can't have someone do something they are not capable of doing. They just have to get someone more athletic in the paint. Spurs bigs cannot jump
he was second in rebounding because duncan beat him and got more rebounds than him, thus he couldn't be first.
Tim isn't that athletic and his hops aren't all that, but yet he pulled down 15.
Ben Wallace Pre-2007. Some have a knack for getting to the glass (I'd say Rodman too, but he was a freak of nature in conditioning).
True, but his vertical is still probably more than Oberto and KT's combined.
*ETA: This was #6,000 for me
Last edited by spurs_fan_in_exile; 11-18-2008 at 12:44 PM.
I wouldn't say Oberto is not "great"
I'd say hes a good to decent rebounder.
Sorry, but to be honest, no one on here is going to convince me that our two bigs that play beside Tim can't combine to grab more rebounds than our PG when they combined to play about 30 minutes. I think its pathetic that two centers in the NBA who played 30minutes in a game combined for 2 rebounds. 2 rebounds people.
Oberto vs. the Knicks:
3-5 FG/A for 6 points
0-3 FT/A
9 Reb (3 offensive)
3 AST
1 STL
1 TO
Oberto is an above average rebounder and defender for his athletic ability. He just had an offnight.
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